Vengeful Spirit of DrifterZ

Thank you for participating in the DotActics contest!

Nice overall guide. I think S&Y would also fit her perfectly but thats just my opinion.

C'mon yaar. All the points you have included in your guide... I feel these are the basics which every avg. dota player would know. You say gank with this hero but explain it how??? People often fall in trap after swapping... Either they fall into enemy hero or the tower starts attacking them. The point is, I feel this guide is not comprehensive enough to make a newbie learn how to pwn with VS or use this hero to its full abilities. Anyways, a good attemt from an 11 yr old boy.

IMO, leave the backdooring to heroes who can escape easily and have WW, blink skills and such.

sry for a second post but i didn't like the item build either. I think S&Y fit perfectly for this hero. Also, Power Treads fit better to this hero than BoT.
And... taking command aura late is good, but at 12th level?? You start pushing starting level 7 onwards. That extra damage of your creeps is really gonna help.

What DrifterZ presents is one aspect of many aspects in which the Vengeful Spirit can be played. Because of her versatile skills her playing style cannot be exhausted by one strategy alone. So this strategy can be good, under certain circumstances, but can falter under certain others.

But it's good you have tried your best in presenting your version of the Vengeful Spirit.

Nice.

Nice strategy there. I liked how you tried to explain things more in depth, like what are your goals to do.

This is just my opinion but I also think that Desolater should have a higher priority, maybe like after Lothars?

But that's just my opinion. Nice strat, good job.

I'm sorry to say, but this guide was bad. The explaining and stuff were O.K.A.Y, but the build and skills were all in the wrong place.
Proper build for Venge goes like this:
Power treads(agi)
Butterfly x2
Deslolater
Lifesteal(optional)
buriza do kyanon
and any agi or str item goes here
No offence man!

Good guide. Your writing style is a bit headache-inducing though.

@ #2

well guides are made for newbs to follow, so they may not know how to farm, deny, harass, and teh basics that average dota players as you said would know.

good job drifterz! (i prefer the desolator item build though)

yeah great..

good item build (one of VS' style.. armor decreasing)

but i think VS is not a good backdoorer..

true, she is the easiest hero to play..

just swap stun whack2 gone!!

wow quite a good stuff for 11 year old boy,are you sure that you are 11??
you explaind it pretty well tho,but for VS getting powertread,desolater,butterfly is my priority..nice gide anyway!

Vigoss : Best Vengeful player in the world and his build would be : BoT , 2x Bracers
+ Deso + always wards in his pack .Most of his money are spent on ward and he spent most of his time visiting others lane ganking other so he cant farm much @_@
If the game last more longer i think butterfly will be a good choice @_@

Remember when I got 3 hearts and a Mjolnir on VS? That game was lolwut.

nice strat coming from a youngster. congrats drifterz for getting place#8. for that i gave you 8/10. :D

simple strat too. please add images.

you people really think VS will get dream items in real game? as far as i see even VP played their VS for 3 bracers, deso,boots then mass wards

nice guide
9/10

Same opinion with CFX , and I believe that VS is NOT a CARRY AKA DPS Heroes, if she is , the weakest of all.

I didn't like the strategy overall and I didn't like the Item build..

I would get:

butterfly
BURIZA (u didn't mention it as a core item)
Desolator
Satanic
Power Treads over BoT
(the last item is depends on the game and ur needs)
skill build is reasonable in some wayz, even If I didn't use it b4, but I did find it reasonable..

need photos for a better guide

5/10

I agree with the item and skill build. Everything is well explained and alternative builds are not ruled out. The main thing that needs adding are a couple of screenshots on when to use nether swap. Guide gets a 9/10 anyway so good job.

Should be alot better when you update this adding the swapping + Lothar guide.

well done on the guide! very well structured, however the item build is too optimistic.
Also, you could've listed possible combos which synergize Venge's swap with other heroes' skills, such as Rupture(Strygwyr)+Swap, Epicentre(Crixalis)+Swap, Serpent Wards(Rhasta)+Swap, Hook(Pudge)+Swap etc. But don't get me wrong, it is a good guide. 8.5/10

To all of you who say this build sucks:

FUCK OFF! GO MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING STRATEGY THEN STUPID ASSHOLES!

IF YOUR STRATEGY DOESN'T MAKE IT HERE , THEN WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU? YOU FAIL. JUST FUCKING FAIL!

GOD!

@all others: Desolator IS a core item , but then again what would your team like more? Minus armor on a single target or a huge buff for all your allies? Including creeps!

GOD!

@KINGMANKIND: FUCK OFF BITCH! GO MAKE YOUR OWN STUPID STRAT THEN! WHY DIDN'T YOU ENTER THIS THEN? *continue

*continued*

I WILL ADD ON THE SWAPPING + LOTHARS GUIDE SOON MAYBE IN A FEW DAYS , I'M JUST BUSY SO FUCK OFF FROM MY LIFE OK?

@OTHERS WHO DISAGREE LIKE FRIGGIN CRAZY:

SCREW YOU! DON'T BOTHER COMMENTING IF YOUR GOING TO POST STUFF LIKE: I DONT LIKE UR GUIDE ITS SO NOOOOOOOOOOB OR ANY OF THAT BULLSHIT! THIS IS THE WAY I PLAY VS , AS A SUPPORT HERO , NOT SOME CRAZY NOOBASS KILLER. HECK NO! I'M NOT ONE OF YOU NOOBS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT GETTING BEYOND GODLIKE!!!

SO ONCE AGAIN , FUCK OFF BITCHES!!!!

nice guide.. though i get AC first than bot.. since she is fragile... but even so.... still nice guide from a 11 year old... GJ 9/10 for me....

DrifterZ(by his request) has been given one warning for flaming in his own guide.

em... swiftly moving on...
reffering to my previous post #22
what i mean by hook +swap, is that if Venge swaps with a blinker onto a cliff, she can then swap with an enemy, who, in turn, can be hooked by pudge very easily due to limited movement allowed. However, this has limited use (me & my friends have only done this twice or three times, no more than that). BUT!!! when such thing happens, it is a 99% kill (and a couple of assists, of course).

lol @ comment 26 and 27. super lol to the author. There's no point having comments if all we're gonna comment about is "omg, great guide" full stop. That doesnt do shyt. Anyway, no to rushing for assault. And no to BoT. You aren't much of a pusher. Leave that to other heroes. You need the threads for early stats and IAS. Rushing for assault is a nono. If you want to rush for something, get a butterfly or a stygian. Though I like butterfly first. It gives you armour. aspd and damage. cont..

Assault cuirass? o-kay... Maybe i'll get that after I get a stygian. Why? stygian gives better armour reduction and it gives damage anyway. You're an agi hero. A butterfly should be enough to satisfy any armour problems. And to be honest, I dont see much of a need for lothars. You already have 2 escape mechanisms. Get lothars if your enemies are persistant on killing you. That is usually uncommon for vs. soo... yay to item build, not so yay to strat and itembuild.

This build is nice wat.
Every1 had their own build, it isn't just limited to have ONLY ONE PERFECT GUIDE.

Think this :
If somebody uses Vladmir's Offering on VS, ya, sounds crazy, but he OWN all others player in the game.

What can you say to him ????
Call him a noob or wat ????

Think about it, i saw many people post stupid comment about item builds and think that the whole world should follow his build or watever.

Ain't this crazy ????

last but not least, repeating "REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE MAGIC MISSILE AND NEVER FORGET IT !" constantly is kinda redundant. Why on earth would people play vs if they "forget" they have a stun? O.o

And... you need a somewhat better explanation on how to hero kill. You do pretty well on your own btw. MM has a cd of only 10 secs. That's an extremely short time. Not to mention you have your ulti. 7/10 for me ^^

lol..u kind of hot tempered.but i agree ur build =) nice 1

@FreeWill:

I dont understand a word of what you're saying.

All I can say,
pretty damn good for an eleven yrs.old
Who agrees with me??
you can learn so much more at your age,
so just continue playing and maybe someday u will be a devastating fuckin pro!!!

an ok guide.
but, a bottle or any other regen item is a MUST for her early. i know there are alot of ways to play her, but this is a must!
guide will be better when screenies arrive

@rllian

Nvm dun care if you dont understand.

The late late game items are hard to achieve, the game hardly go on so long.

@FreeWill:

then make some sense. It's like an activist in house shouting at the wall: "save the planet!"


tell me is this makes any sense: "Think this :
If somebody uses Vladmir's Offering on VS, ya, sounds crazy, but he OWN all others player in the game. "

Don't state your age because most people stereotype and prejudice against it, especially when you prove you're immature and can't keep your temper under control over the internet. Is every kid's comeback to critical comments some sort of flame?

You say to use Magic Missile and then Nether Swap? The enemy is stunned and you're still the same length away but you just used your ulti. The enemy can just run in the other direction.

LOL@DrifterZ
Agree though, why would anyone who knows how to play a hero read a strat. EPIC FAIL.

You also copied a part of your intro ("No! Stop! Don't press back!" or whatever) from the "Bone Clinkz | A new look at an old Hero guide"

Also, i don't think that you have mentioned using Nether Swap to lure your enemy under a tower and stun him there. It will kill him 80% of the time, especially if he is an weak Int or Agi hero.. I got myself a Dominating streak in under 6 mins once (i didn't kill the same guy over and over againm it was several different ppl)

@aydar478:
Don't forget nether swap has plenty of combos that start off with it

"SCREW YOU! DON'T BOTHER COMMENTING IF YOUR GOING TO POST STUFF LIKE: I DONT LIKE UR GUIDE ITS SO NOOOOOOOOOOB OR ANY OF THAT BULLSHIT! THIS IS THE WAY I PLAY VS , AS A SUPPORT HERO , NOT SOME CRAZY NOOBASS KILLER. HECK NO! I'M NOT ONE OF YOU NOOBS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT GETTING BEYOND GODLIKE!!!"
i wish i was 12

@ rllian

look at my post (#22)
i've listed some.. not enough? I'll think about it after I've had my maths exam (C4) today...

"And no to BoT because youre not a pusher"
ok we all know treads push better. bot is for defender so take that back.

"If somebody uses Vladmir's Offering on VS, ya, sounds crazy, but he OWN all others player in the game. "

now really, tell him to play consecutive games with all that against anyone else

@aydar478:

no you misunderstood me. I meant that yo ucant expected drifterz to list down all the combos

"You also copied a part of your intro ("No! Stop! Don't press back!" or whatever) from the "Bone Clinkz | A new look at an old Hero guide""

now what was that which made it so important?

@ rllian
oh, right, i understand now.
However, he could've at least provided SOME examples, i.e. not just "Heroes that either have stun or slow or nukes"

Imo the huskar guide was just a bit better than this one, but whatever i don't make the call. Good overall guide, could be a bit more in depth 9 / 10

"Heroes that either have stun or slow or nukes"it's called common sense

ol i'm 12 years ord and i play too

IMO this needed a lot of work. I know for a fact that the author remembered between the guides submission and it being posted that he left out any Swapping tactics, for example. That plus how to use Missile properly. Just item builds and overall gameplay tactics... basic ones...

What IS here is good, what is NOT here is more important. If it gets added, then I will rate higher - but for now I would give it a 6/10. And do not swear at me.

@rllian
I had said tat, if you dont understand, dun pay any attention to it.
If nobody understand, dun give a hell about it.

@topic

I'm looking forward to your replay and sreenies. Well Done.

This guide mainly focuses for a kinda support, clash starter VS which is quite a good guide knowing that the author is only 11 but as every other guides, it has flaws...

* I suggest that backdooring should not be emphasized in pushing as it is illegal thing to do even if its cool and most of the time advantageous.

* Redundancy in certain parts regarding the Magic Missile that you should always blah... blah.. You should remove the redundant parts.

(continued)

@Shim: Thank you I'll update this soon. But for now , its more DotA for me. I have to make the best of summer you know? Its almost over. Gah! I'll end this nonsense soon.

(continued)

* "You will see how an 11 year old like me" this is a part of the guide that IMO sounds kinda arrogant. no offence.

* never flame someone.

But overall its a good guide. I liked your explanations in most parts of the guide. I would give it 7/10. I hope replays and screenshots will soon be added.

I don't like it. You say she should be early game hero, but u suit her with survival items + BoT and not PT that give her aspd to be killer. 1.77 BAT surely is the longest, so she won't kill anyone. Also, not having aura till lvl 12 is a wasted early game. U can't expect to kill anyony without dmg, aspd, hell even without mana for spam. When u start building lothar's its good. Just i don't see any dmg items early - u won't be able to have a kill IMO. Too much of defensive building

Also, bracers for fortifying, and lothar's for escape+ cuirass armor. U can make mekansm + arcane ring and go like support witch doctor, helping with stun only. Also putting 438843569638 hero images on the end for the strat to look longer... Then u put alternate builds with PT omg... go with BoT if u said BoT on the beginning. I don't see DPS venge here mate... till u build ur butterfly it'll be 90 minutes in game since u spent money on Lothar and cuirass.

3rd post: I didn't see ur CAPS LOCK post before i posted... so anyone who dislikes this gets flamed from angry 11 year old?
Bah.... there are smarter players than u.
I won't rate this *.......* guide cuz u would be too angry for seeing someone other's oppinion -_-

Screenies are appreciated ^^

your best ally is the goblin techies of course!!!

I would like to suggest Armlet of Mordiggian as an alternative item because it gives extra hp armor and atk speed which is what VS needs.

""You also copied a part of your intro ("No! Stop! Don't press back!" or whatever) from the "Bone Clinkz | A new look at an old Hero guide""

now what was that which made it so important?" -Counter_Force[X]

I'm just saying, copying a part of somebody else's guide isn't cool. Plagiarism isn't cool ;)

Jees, people that say deny and stuff is basic, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ON A FORUM WITH GUIDES if you are so pro?
And for all of you with your own item builds, stfu, make your own guide instead.

i laughed so hard when i saw drifters response to the negative feedback. the item build looks like what i get with nvrmore. overaall this guide is pretty good but you gotta remember, there will always be someone that disagrees with something because this IS NOT A COMMUNIST WORLD!

there also seems to be a huge gap between the type of...ere i suppose, that caspian holds comapred to other posters...i wish i could sound as competent

This is a pretty much Item build guide I dont understand how this came to finals, expected more, I also disagree with the early cuirass.
You still dont cover very basic points,
You dont cover how to gank, you dont cover how to use and when to use or not to use swap, you dont cover how to support with swap or mm.
You cover the basics, I prefer the huskar guide.
6/10, needs alot of work.

Woaaah DrifterZ, stop the flamming.
dont insult us, we are just having an opinion in your guide...

i thought the item build(s) where the exact same thing id do... i thought that you exceeded my expectations for being 11 excellent guide and youlll be owning me soon enough (im 20)... good guide. just try to be more indepth in your guide adn youll get 5 out of 5 no problem. Good luck on your next guide

@people saying that they prefer the huskar guide ><

please dont compare our guides... cause its not our fault that he got 8th place and i got 9th... the judges have decided this cause they might have seen something special in this guide.. so i hope i dont see someone saying that phrase again, cause it would minimize the momentum of the author from creating more effective guides..

good job at this guide i think its the most compleate guide in this site gratz

Well, it was an ok guide.........although I tend to get Terror earlier......I'll give it an 8/10.

Nice guide....Your guide 10/10 describes how VS should be played. I saw this guide and first time I played VS I got like godlike!!!!!!!!!

Nice guide for (as he says) an 11 year old and great job for this position in this contest! The only things I don't really like are the offensive use of Lothar's windwalk cuz if u get ganked after a failed combo... ouch. And maybe add an HoD or Vanguard for extra survival depending on who ur fighting.

Great Strat

Add how to use swap when you add screenies and replays

is stygian desolator in your item build? you mention it a few times but it isn't on there

justify the boots over pt more, being able to jump around more to get kills rather than dps?

this is more a support vs

can you post items for a dps vs?

8.5/10 (now maybe better with the updates)

I WILL , repeat , I WILL change almost everything in this strategy.

Except adding DPS Build VS. I can only have one build in my guide.

@Others who arent rating yet:
Rate ONLY AFTER I Update this. I want your comments on this guide when It is UPDATED only.

One comment.. WHAT DAMAGE????

I sometimes item
1 Travel
4 pcs bracer
1 heart

I noticed that when they use vengeful in tournaments or contest 80% of vengeful are used to be support than being a killer, they build supporting items like meka,wards,bracer,travel,guinso,heart and even shivas guard etc.

nice strat / nice item build
but I think TERROR is useful even at
early game..... why max it at lvl 20?

first off grats drifterz, 8th place beats...
did the announcement say 3000 members?
soooo what 2992 members - mods and st and banned people have submitted..

HOWS THAT FOR A STAT THOSE WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT HOW BAD THIS GUIDE IS?


and yes shim is right, as you have acknowledged, you missed out some important bits such as swap strategy, but you know they need to be added, and when summer break ends i can see a shining new update coming into play.

ok having said that, worship me briefly..
that enough.

now i know you can't have multiple skill builds BUT
while laned (solo or non-solo) against a solo melee or 2 melee heroes i like to get command aura early to assist in pushing/counter balancing the RoB that one of them has for the vlads they will difinately make.
-_-

anyway good guide, when i see the fabled (like all my updates) update i will give it a happy rating.

isnt he the cutest baby? Oh look look! he's writing his first guide! aaawww ^^ baby

hmmm.. swapping and go lotahrs i think it is old school why if the opposing team have a stunner or disabler and before you know it youre stunned or crawling like a chicken,how can you escape that situation if youre to frigile, some parts of your guide is okay somehow

A decent guide, though incredibly basic. I don't see how this came out on top of the Huskar guide TBH, but good job.

Incredibly good for a 10 year old, respect!
Of course its basic and that stuff, but thats the point of a guide, isnt it? You should know what to do and then develop your own unique gaming style.. at least thats what I thought.

AND, he said he'll update soon, so chill out guys.

I'll vote after the update.

deso, assault, terror= holy shit -decrease armour

I think a BKB will be perfect, if theres stun/disable/wards/track.
can talk about swaping enemies into holes/on cliffs
Also as a support killer, you can buy skadi/ sny for slow, so that Crazy DPS heroes can focus on Damage items.

Very nice guide 9.5/10!

Dont spam branches and tangoes, get some Clarities too as you will be doing a lot of lane killing.

Sny not good on venge...
well, I woul`dve expect a more... uhm... unique guide, item build, etc... lothar build sooo old... ah... gj anyway... strong 6

were are screenies of swapping techniques??

@sfsy1:
aye to bkb. on swapping enemies into holes... I don't get it. how on earth do you get into the holes anyway

@trYptOphAn:

All he said was that short phrase. Does that make it plagarism? Hey! your ign ends with an n! LIKE MINE! OMFG YOU PLAGIARISED!!!

lols chill chill, hahas summer nearly over eh, den have fun enjoyin chaself =D hahas i wun rate dis guide until u update it but stil i wud say for an overall, an easy to use and understand guide

Nice try. A decent VS guide . Don't bother about those bad comments. After all, they can see the weakness of your guide coz they too know how to play VS.. I'll just whisper my rating lolz!

i'll wait for the update coz i cant see anything special in this guide...keep work it out mate..

Wow DrifterZ is 11. :O


Standard build, standard strategy. You get.. a standard score. 5/5

But, no lulz in the guide. Im dissapointed.

hmmmm??? drifterz is only 11?? doesn't show with regard to your wordings
Is this the 8th placer guide? Your guide is nice but to tell you honestly it's kinda common build but no offense my friend I still like it for VS. So keep your promise okay? update this guide and I'll give you 10/10 thumbs up!!

I find it a bad guide... Terror and Command aura's aren't just good for urself. They boost the lane aswell... U'll be able to push as sick with those debuffs and aura's. And yeh, when you dont get those skills ur base dmg will indeed suck, thats why u have the friggin skill obviously... The only good reason for early stats is his lack of hp... But after lvl 6 i wld definately pick command aura or terror... And even if ur base damage isnt good for the aura yet... other heroes do have good dmg!

@lucretia
cram it ...... insulting a player....shamefull

who cares if your 11! if i remember reading
"DOTA IS FOR ALL AGES"

SO FRUSTRATED!!!!
your venge build is heavy on the support sure :D
she does need hp and survival items to be able to get close and personal to be able to do the terror thing.

There is cockyness in your writing so of course people will be more negative... but to do a double flame comment o-o i was surprised at that....here i thought a great future dota player *continued*

*continued* Venge is an agile hero that has a stun/armor decrease/attack decrease/ ulti that swaps places with an enemy....think a bit about this....what would be the effect of it in a team fight..... 5v5 what can venge do! .. good idea with the lothars btw... what venge can do is swap with a hero needed to be killed first howl/turn invis and retreat back to formation(to allies for she does not have the best hp) thats all i have :P dps may not be the only way to build her up.

boots of travel omg? For the tele? Buy a teleport scroll.. The extra speed isnt that much. power treads with str give the extra hp, which doesnt make that much bracers neccessary. U can have cheaper bands instead... the extra agi is good for "bad" base dmg. and the lesser str from band compensates with str treads. Plus the attack speed makes him output way more dmg... -.- Bad bad guide.

I really think Sange and Yasha is the perfect item for Vengeful Spirit. Also, in addition to a questionable build, I felt that your guide lacked any directions as to complex VS techniques. You just laid down the minimum basics, which really doesn't help much with noobs who are trying to learn this character. And one more thing: don't freak out when people give you constructive criticism. They are just trying to help, and that's what the comments page is for.

Venge needs a bottle and vanguard. Vanguard doesn't only give you hp, it blocks major damage as well as almost all creep damage along with great HP regeneration. She needs this for early game. Bottle will also help with ganks.

you said
The basic combo with Lothar's Edge is Nether Swap -> Magic Missile -> Wind Walk -> Attack
Um...am i missing something? i thought wind walk was to escape...

very good 4 11 year old kid...i am 10 lol

not bad.....but not good either

u forgot about buriza and sanga and yasha..... venge is more of a killer hero he doesnt need lothars edge......he gots missle and swap wat more does ne need

oh ya who cares if ur 11........i wont care even if ur 3 and ur making a strat.....but make sure in the future to review ur strat before posting it.....this hero build wont stand in a 5 on 5 game

wow hes 11 and has such a gay guide

i like this guide, tryed it and it works very well as a support hero.
i think ppl should stop yelling at eachother by posting, they could do that by pm. nvm bout that.

STOP calling ppl noobs, gays, idiots and so on. just rly ruins alot. especially doing this @ someones hero/item idea or hero strategy. it rly doesnt make you feel that swell.

take forexample you made a strategy for i.e. VS and you spent 2-3 hours on this.
wouldnt it just make your day if someone told you it was... continued -->

...that it was the worst guide ever! and your gay i hate you bla bla bla!!!

I dont think you would be happy for the rest of the day. so plz stop doing this!

// Nick

Author: you ve done a good job with the explanation of DOTA concepts and emphasized few ways of playing silk. GJ

But flaming at ur guide readers for negative comments? Really uncool. But you seem to have taken Shimmra's comments well. Just coz he s a v well known and respected player?

About the guide: I can see v little here that says about venge. This is more of a how to play DOTA guide contd...

For instance..how to best use terror? swap combos (already pointed out), MM cd and its various uses, how to actually ally with someone for a kill.

Ppl who dont write guides here are not noobs. Just that we dont have the inclination or time for it. Well if u dont like the comments, simple..dont read them

Post #74: "I read this guide, played silk 1st time and went holy shit" - you into telemarketing??

@others who say this is uberly gay or pathetic:

I dont care if you rate this 1/10. At least I have a strat here unlike you all noobs who dont have. Fuck off.

good strat. i noramlly bild venge the same nd it dus work good trust me.

@most ppl

if u think this strat suks then y is it 4star

No more flaming in here. That goes for you as well DrifterZ. Stand by your logic of 'where is YOUR guide, then?' without sinking to their level.
(Because that logic is awesome and kicks ass and I love using it)

lol shim yeah see my post...
i don't have a guide here but i beat you all anyway -_-

when he made his DS username, he lied, cause he`s not 13>

who is her worst enemy?

Quote "DrifterZ": To all of you who say this build sucks:

FUCK OFF! GO MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING STRATEGY THEN STUPID ASSHOLES!

IF YOUR STRATEGY DOESN'T MAKE IT HERE , THEN WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU? YOU FAIL. JUST FUCKING FAIL!

GOD! [Quote End]

You dont need to flame users who has their own opnion on your guide, every human has their own opinion on everything, and if they think you skill build sucks so let they think that, you dont need to write it here that they are noobs or something.

And i can say that i didnt like your skill build or item build at all.

i build my VS like this:

BoS + Tango (starting item)
-Bracer
-Wraith Band
-Lothars edge (it's a must item)
-Power Treads
-Crystalis or Perseverance (depends on which hero i meets)
-Butterfly
-Buriza(if i bought crystalis earlier)
-Linkens Sphere(If the game hasent ended yet, and if i got perserverance earlier)

I sometimes buy Desolator if no one on the team have it, and i usually buy it after Power Treads.

Them 11 year olds and their temper tantrums

I'll have to edit the Intro. Replace 11 with 12.

let me tell u u can get a kill with 1 lvl NS. when an enemy hero is next to the tower u swap him to the tower(make sure that has no creeps) let the tower do the damage) he will try to escape, use Magic Missile, but i prefer when the hero got a little bit of hp, then i cast MM at him, easy job, right? u can let the tower to do the job, then get the kill.

@DrifterZ
What?
R U Serious?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!!

lol.....only faggets use the word noob ...... this strat sks.......y not quit playing dota and do somethin better like playing hide n seek with ur little friends

lol... I think Drfterz will accumulate 8 more warnings just by flaming on his own strat

i fully support difterz flaming of people who say his guide sucks, 8th in the hero guide contest..
you probably didn't even enter you lousy people ^_^

@rillan
he got 1 by his own request i think.
he knows he should flame but in fairness some of them --------(buy a vowel?) deserve it -_-

mithal, until you make a better strat, you are in no position to comment. Seeing as you have also flamed, eat a warning!

Happy B-Day DrifterZ.

pathetic guide....

comment 3 n 5 are mine but there are lots of more flaws in this guide. Few more are :-
- You said BoT are better than Power Treads but you never explained clearly why??
- You never seem to harass?? At least you haven't commented on how to harass.
- Even if you farm good, I don't think one gets whopping 7770G+ (BoT + Lothar's Edge + 2 * Bracers + Some potions) till 10th level... too expensive.

continued...

continued...

- You did not explain her famous tower kill at LVL 6. Actually you did not explain how to kill with VS properly.

- I don't have a habit of hating guides but maybe I hate this one because some say it's 8th rank guide (Congratz for that) but this guide doesn't deserve that level of appreciation. I think it's 4-star cause the rating is 6.01 so you enter the 4-star group.

- Maybe someday you will change this guide and get more appreciation...

I wonder why you change your boots of travel into power treads? hmmm, maybe its the way around, but its ok. Not bad.

LOthar`s edge needn`t.

@Rohan Gupta:

It was mentioned several times by readers. Read it under the comments. Besides, the chances of doing that combo is slim since it's best carried out mid lane.

nice guide agreed wit most of the item build, but i get bot, deso, assault and EoS. its pretty awesome as well. its juz my build anyways 8/10

@ rllian

Ya... u'r right rllian. Maybe other comments cover up my points, but I want explanations from DrifterZ. I think he knows it but is not able to explain.

Also, I wrote that long comment coz I felt my comments 3 n 5 were not complete. I wanted to express myself completely.

(Sry for that Eng... I'm not that good)

@rllian

and i see u take more interest in answering comments than the author does??

Thanks for the strategy. Nice one i think S&Y also fits her properly. Anyways nice item build and nice guide. I will play her if I will get the chance. (we usually play "AR").

AND ROSHAN GUPTA ARE U FROM NEPAL?????
COZ I WANT TO MEET YOU. WHERE DO U PLAY DOTA????? ME IN LONG HORN

im not talking to u Shimrra_3.....so try to not get into other pples business....and how many other pple think this strat sks......so plz dont hurting urself ....and fk off

oh ya....one more thing im not like u pple.....and waste valuable time .....writing a strat......like other pple.....i have a life

I like your item build for a battle VS since it is really the item build for her..

I hate your skil build coz CA must always be added first coz it helps a lot in last hitting/denying..

Buy a bottle early game since she lacks hp and mana regen + mana pool! You could spam your missile early with a bird and a bottle!

BOT sucks since you are a battle type! Threads are more useful esp. you atk slow and added dmg is good plus you have WW from lothar which has a low cooldown for ms!

You really have a problem with BOT man. A meaningless item and i would personally go with butterfly, power treads, satanic, burizza, quirass, and HOT. I must say that i liked your alternative builds mutch better than your primary builds. Oh, and for the record, go check that temper of yours and get out more.

Enjoy your valuable time being banned.

@this guide...
OMG!!... the tensions here are high.... people and author receiving warnings..... and somebody got banned???... who got banned???....

is this a flaming guide or what... XD

please guys.. easy on the comments.. its his guide,, his way of playing VS... so be polite on your comments and stop flaming...

@long ago:
isnt he the cutest baby? Oh look look! he's writing his first guide! aaawww ^^ baby

now:
aaaww he's 12 now, they grow up so fast ^^

vs should always go for about 2 bracers, BoT, and bottles... then up to situation for what other things to get... any guide with vs should include bottle control and ward buying..

@ Sanjay

First of all, I'm not Roshan, I'm Rohan.

Secondly, I'm not from Nepal. I'm from India.

Lothar's
BoT
Stygian
Assault
Buriza
Heart

guarantees a gg. only read till your item build. good guide indeed.

@ lucretia = you don't have a guide either, stop mocking him. Notice what happened to the last guy.

@ DrifterZ = I would love to see that update, I do know it takes ages but still...

he'll do that when he's 13 :D

and what happened to the last guy?
DS send their minions to that poor dude and trash his house! :( ow now im scare :(.

@lucretia

he got banned. so be quiet unless you want to get warned or even banned.

@everyone who's flaming and going nuts

unless you've created a guide yourself, don't talk.

@the people who are actually criticising in a good/helpful way

good job and glad to have people like you on board

@DrifterZ

dont worry man and good luck on your updates.

@everyone

Mess with me, or any other person for that matter, and you shall be owned.

What he said --^
I dislike people with attitude issues, don't have any or else.

good work.. but for me vanguard is still better than bracers.. hehe..

unfortunately it's about 5 times cost more

11 yrs old?? Awesome strat 4 sum1 like dat. Nice.

in dps heroes u got panda twice WTF?

^an issue not worth mentioned

hey.. i'm only new here.. heheheh.. i like reading stuff here at dotastrategy.com i learned a lot out of this.. at first i thought VS sucked.. i killed a lot of VSs before.. that's why i thought she was weak.. but now that i used it..i think i'm going to have a new favorite hero.. you should be awarded for this! LOL.. hey.. thanks again..a lot..

A nice refreshing guide this is. i will try it out sometime. Vengy can be very deadly, and in the right hands it can be a very good support hero

i like u,pui haha ace ventura when nature call..

For all of you who wants a DPS/Killer VS Guide , I'll make one IF YOU WANT. I'll be doing it after I update this and finish my DK guide.

Questions Regarding Why this one was gone for a bit: It was updated. (Changed 11 to 12)

^lolz

Quote1: "You will see how an 12 year old like me ..."

Quote2: "My 11 yr old brain for giving me power to do this."


Interesting. A 12 year old with the brain of an 11 year old. :D

I forgot to add that you did not discuss about Swap+allies skill? Devastating Combos can be made.

Oh, is your DK guide inspired by our 1vs1? :D

@27Luna: Forgot about the My 11yr old brain bla bla.

And no , it wasn't inspired by that 1vs1. I p00n'd you cuz i know you still wont close your porn.

I'm inspired because the TWO DK guides here suck. The other one gets HoM and Mekanism and the other one just phails without boots. Guess what? Its gonna have no screenies at all. (My Future DK Strat) because I dont want to. Screenies make the strat long. and most people only look at them. . . yes most people look only at the bloody screenies!!!!

lol i dun agree by adding stats first ...should have added command aura... but a great attempt or an 11 year old boy ..

i didnt get banned shimra_3 ........hahahaha and i like to say again this strat stinks........feel sry for all of u noobs ......think i got banned think again

just to let u no i am or was the guy named mithal 1020 .....all u noobs could go die for all i care

lol an ok strat. ur right vs is a pritty easy hero 1 i first used when i started. wow 12 years old. ^^. um ok build need some work. dun need bracers, wraths more damage, nulls. vs can work with them all but i lik the wraths more damage. linken works. Lothars not really. deso... mkb ya. butter ya. command aura needs to be secend to me maxed at about lvl 9. no need stats till lvl 10. terror is rubbish get 20 or 18 but ok for a ok player keep playin. XD.

Well done guide. I disagree with terror though, it's too little too late in my opinion. I also disagree with 5 ironwood branches and bracers. If you play well enough the build should consist of wraith bands. Different style of play i guess, I always go for the early kill. And I prefer S and Y to styg and Skadi to AC. Just preference though, this is a good guide, I would recommend it to those trying to learn venge.

who agrees with me that this darklord1020 character is a noob......he should realy get a life ...instead of cursing on every1s strat......kinda nice strat drifter.....but i used some similar items from the list and still did bad.....im guessing that vengi will alwayz be a supporter

i also heard that this kid could never be banned......they say that he knows how to hack into ds and unban himself.....thats actually pretty neat......with that kinda of hacking i could change my skool grades lol

That guy's tactic doesn't work anymore and I wouldn't advise you to try it.

AKA hes banned again. View as an example if you will.


Waited too long, giving permanent 6/10 now as you have not updated this.

no im pretty sure he is not banned.....he got banned once....and he came back.....how do u think that is possible....anyway im not here to see how or if he is banned or not

i have another alternate build
uhmmm dagon5,travel,meka,hyperstone/cuirass ^^
hahaha in MY OWN OPINION
i rocked in games with these items. hahaha
best gank player.swap gank =dedz^^
stun+hit+stun+*dedz*or dagon the enemy

@Shim: Ooh. . . . I'm Sorry

I'm so busy now , preparing for school (1 week from this comment's date) T_T I have to time to update so sorry

Great guide! Can't help loving it!

lol some people on here are judging this guide, solely from the fact the author is 12 years old. Don't insult/judge someone by their age. Stating he is "immature", just shows how hypocritical you are.

Anyways, about the strategy:
Presents a good way to play a supportive VS.

I did sense some "common sense stuff", but it is understandable.

Overall informative guide,

Good job.

Great guide :), to all those who say this guide sucks, seriously you need to get a life, if you don't like it don't use it, its just one aspect of VS and it works for him, if it doesn't work for you, big deal!

anyhow good strat and keep up the good work :) hope to see future updates.

wHat sHouLd i get?? DesOlat0r or sKadi??

Not bad for an 11 yrs old dota maniac..
I think i'll go for PT rather than BoT..^^
7/10

Nice guide, i like your skill build. I agree that CA should not be taken early because it makes your creeps push to early when you need to be near your tower most of the early game. Although I still think a PT(str) is better than BoT. I just always carry a TP. Also with the PT, i can get wraith bands to further increase my dmg for easier last hitting or denying.You really think deso is the way to go, huh? hm...

Strategy ok, better than your comments :P

Whats with everyone going a good guide for an 11 yr old... are you saying that thats a bad thing!!!
I honestly dont care what his age is the internet is a place where simply the age gap is demolished and every1 is on an equal page....
This guide is fantastic after trial and error i found that the BoT are much better than the PT reason why if u swap and stun u can catch up but what happens if ur stunned after that u need speed to cathc up and missle them again. 10/10 this guide is brilliant tnx

brilliant guide. i nvr knew terror was so useful

wowwwww..............................

lol...
clarities are almost crucial for VS as starting items and she cant do well without a bottle. Besides the mana side, quite a good guide

Also, some of your goals requires team, not VS alone. U cant expect every1 to read your guide.

BTW, pls do not spam hero icons at allies which u help.

I must say a very good guide. For all of you who want an explanation on swap + whatever and how to use missle. It comes from experience and knowledge of DotA. It dosnt matter if he writes how to perfect the swap skill in all circumstances because newbs still wont know how to time it in real game where the heat is constantly up. Skill build is same as mine and item build is very good although i rush desolator instead of AC and after desolator i get items depending on situacion. CONTINUING

So for me there is no item build late game or something like that just a core build
2 bracers
Lorthars
desolator
BoT
ALL IN ALL GG 10/10

EYE OF SKADI + SATANIC = ORB EFFECT MAYbE ?
MJOLLNIR + SKADI = ORB EFFECT MAYBE ?

@ valdeti

Ranged Eye of Skadi isnt an orb effect.
Don't pretend your the wiseguy because that is common knowledge.

omg so much stupidity from some, ok it can have desolator but can have also satanic, can't have them both, the build is great because the lothar is obvious needed for any range agil hero for escape purposes and the cuirass is great after u swap to save somebody ass and u dont want to be raped or if just just swap in the enemy tower so the colleagues can pwn, the guy is right this is not build for owning nubs is for players so piss off, also 2xbut come on, play some pudge wars, gj DrifterZ

Props!

@ Sanjay

I am Roshan And i Am form Nepal K.

Tero nam ka ho .

You see but i dont stay in Nepal.

By the way this stragety is OK

But i could make a better one If i know how to or where to go to make it??

Does any on knows.

Nice strategy :)

But as supporter, maybe VS needs:
- Arcane Ring (she also has mana)
- Mekansm (heals HP)

Also Terror should be learned ASAP beside Magic Missile

That's just my opinion :D

8/10

hmmm

i think lothars should come before ur boots of travel and also u need to have buriza in your late game items because after u get terror or assault that crits will do alot of damage i would say replace the heart with the buriza

VERY BASIC. Very incomplete. I say its more of a brag than a strat. "You'll see how a 12 yr old..."
6/10

how is this worse then the other strat here? wtf? very clever, though lacks details like screenies, it is very thoughtful and experienced. dont waste ur life playing dota. i havent heard of it until like last year, but u already no a lot by just 12 years old. dont waste ur life

nice..nice.. pde na png pustanay.. hahaha..

If you hadn't said that u were 12 yo then ppl wouldve appreciated your guide a lot more. People these days.. Anyway gj 8/10!

anoh ho b????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

i know this might be dumb but what would be good with manta lol. i tried manta and mkb which was pretty awesome

great guide!!!!! I find it quite useful and I think is one of the best in dotastrategy. Good job.

lol... you should tell how the swap works


guide kinda sucks only for battle type

This guide is AWESOME!
I'm 12 too and I can't make a guide half as good as yours. Maybe we can DotA sometime. My username is mumbo. lol weird name

good strategy

@Drifter-Z

Yo, control your Fckin temper dude! whats d use of comments then? fckin act professional dude, not like a 10 yrs-old kid! damn! ur guide, 4.444/10

PHWOAR 11 YEARS OLD?

DUDE YOU ROCK

and btw i tried dagon with this chick, it works okay for 1v1 but in a gank..waste of money x]

I´m totally surprised that you´re not considering Manta at all.... its a PWNANGE item for her ... everytime i buy her manta i fucking rock.

paborito

in your first alternate build could u try swapiing eos for guinso?

NICE!

one of the good reasons to have lothars for this hero that you forgot to mention ( i think).

When enemy is pushing, at you and your allies are hugging the tower, simply swap one enemy hero into your base, and LOTHAR. Let your friends take out that hero you swapped while you run to safety.

hmm, i think it's just okay..
one of my favorite hero venge but i think haveing lotars will not made you a coward venge. venge is a ganker though, my suggestion is try to rush desolator/butterfly then cuirass. it woudld boost your venge and try to maximize your command aura first rather than stats, since you have additional stats frokm bracer.. don't take it that bad thought. but hitting s for creeping to cancel animation is very good.

this is what you call a guide
unlike the one that noob28 made. pfft!

but i dont really think backdooring is a good idea even if you are desperate to win..

keep it up.

Vengeful is definitely best as a support hero:
Here is my build for her
Vanguard - i like it cuz you can ignore creep attacks with this
Arcane Ring - you are so useless w/o mana.this will reduce trips back home
Assault Cuirass - Makes you so durable, your swap wont have to be suicidal anymore,the befefits for allies are worth the cost.
Optional: Hood of Defiance, Linken, Desolator

When played right, she can be the most loved support hero ever.

sorry for the double post. I forgot to add Boots of Travel to the list of items. Not so important, but you really should at least have a Boots of Speed and carry a scroll of town portal most of the time.