IT'S KARDEL TIME

Kardel looks pretty lame at first impression but he is TEH PWNERER when it comes to AGI heroes. I've been through a lot of AGI heroes and I always stick with him be it 1 vs 5 Insane AI or plain 5 vs 5.

Strategy Rank: Mega Kill. Nice and simple. ^.^

The sniper is one of the worst heroes in dota as he has no stun or slowing skills and is usually incapable of killing anyone by himself. That said, this guide is not too bad. Personally I would replace the final pers with a s&y to provide extra slow. @ erroljandaman - I'd be interested to know which agi heroes you think are worse than sniper

getting Hyperstone during late game is not really advisable..i suggest you get Hyperstone during early-mid game and sell it away later on to buy items that increases attack speed or damage. you should try getting S&Y or maybe Buriza..

@kAEm: Sniper is definately NOT the worst heroes in dota. Once assasin is level 3 you can simply hide in your base and assasinate your enemies, one by one. Also, sniper does have a stun, do you look at headshot carefully?

@ Shadowinks - Exactly how is your team going to win if you're hiding in your base? And headshot is not a viable disabling stun. It USED to be a disabler when the duration was 0.4 seconds, but now it isn't.

kardel is one of the best agi heros in DOTA,, bec of its skill TAKE AIM and assasinate.... take aim->if max out cannot be hitten by towers............. assasinate->has a fast cooldown and u can easily cast it again and again to a hero....

@ BibleBash... sorry.. what i mean is you CAN EXCHANGE HYPERSTONE TO ANY ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED... sorry for putting it in the late game... and i dont put S&Y on my list because my items are already good,, and its too expensive... well if you can buy it better....

Take aim will not let you hit towers without getting hit yourself because to see them you'll have to move within tower range. Also you cannot spam assassinate all the time, it has a manacost. Anyway if anyone wants to make any more comments about the sniper in general (and not this guide) please do so in 'The Great Sniper Debate' thread in the 'Heroes' forum. I restate that I don't think this guide is bad at all, it's easy to understand and makes perfect sense, I just think that the hero itself is not that good.

good guide maybe i dont play ur same strategy but the hero is easy to use anyway

yo, y dun hv scatter 1st? or at least hv it 4 lv 3 or 4 earlier la... 120 mana can clear one creep wave, i tink it's worth it... n u can use it on towers...

i think your strat is good but sell you presy at end and buy divine and agies you will never die due to high hp from skadi and linknis and you get spell resistance. and who can say no to 250 extra damage

and i disagree on the skill build i go scatter then take aim then head shot. ANd for kAEm with a skadi and likins you can basically spam assasinate due the the high mana regen and high INT bonus

i dont put scatter shot at early game bec i cant use that every time... except if you can buy skadi and linken fast,, and i can buy skadi lvl 15 and linken lvl 20.. and i have max out scatter shot at lvl 14...

@ kAEm - slayerofbill is correct bec of high mana regeneration you can easily spam assasinate,, and if i`m using kardel if i`m going to destroy a tower i dont really go to the towers range i wait for creeps to come... and if all the creeps are gone you will not still be hitten by the tower, if you will have too see the tower i just wait for creeps to come again...

Hi, nice guide. Imo , i feel that your guide however is too expensive(item build) . I think if u swithced linken with skadi , it would be better. Also , sniper will always(always) get gank! Scatter shot should not be added against a decent team! stats are more impt for your early game survival. And it also gives u some boost to ur hp. As much as scatter lets u farm, it also makes u push, and pushing early game is not viable as it opens up alot of ganking space (unless u're prepared to wards up like mad) and prevents u from establishing good map control. That is not a worth-while exchange. just my 2 cents. Regards

@kAEm: all of them are worse than Kardel. Although I have my respects for Clinkz, Jahrakal(troll warlord guy i think) and Lightning Revenant. Still this guy is teh pwnerer in AGI heroes. unmatched range, farming ability and surprising low-life(literally) enemies by sending them to dota heaven with the all mighty assass. aegis cant save them now.

@ erroljandaman - your correct he is the best agi hero.. can wipe out all creeps with one scatter(have try that everytime i play with my friends) has a fast cooldown ultimate.. (assasinate) cool!! can cast it again and again to an enemy. with mana regenaration items you dont have any problem... doing it and doing it again and again...

@kAEm: all of them are worse than Kardel. Although I have my respects for Clinkz, Jahrakal(troll warlord guy i think) and Lightning Revenant. Still this guy is teh pwnerer in AGI heroes. unmatched range, farming ability and surprising low-life(literally) enemies by sending them to dota heaven with the all mighty assass. aegis cant save them now.

Add Guinsoo's for your items.

other comments plsss??

First Buy lothar and power treads because its easy to kill kardel, next buy 2 cranium basher,eye of sakadi, and the butterfly. It will makes kardel unbeatable to fight!!!Try ThiS

i think i dont need 2bashers,, maybe lothars in early game and sell it mid or late game... tnx for the comment anyway....

Hey i think hes better w/ treads, skadi, mkb, burize, hyperstone andbutterfly!!!

jakiro2123,, yeah all of your items are good to kardel, but can you buy them all? and linken is much better.. it adds additional stats and can negate a targeted spell every 60sec and has high hp and mana regeneration,, so i can use assasinate and scatter shot all the time and hey I've mention buriza MKB and hyperstone as my optional item...

Noob28 you act as if a scatter and assass will kill any opponent in midgame... Kardel can do little more than attack normally from a distance and hope for a headshot. You need to give yourself an edge such as getting bashers to create permabash. All i can say is good luck against the tankers, not just the nukers.

mid game?? do i almost use scatter and assasinate on heros... i only use scatter on creeps,, and i dont use assasinate all the time on hero's.. and i think i dont need bashers i already have headshot and EOS thats enough..i can finish them by making them slow and having stun 0.25sec. and i have my allies they will help me....

awww. wrong...... @ sammeh - no i dont act that scatter and assasinate will kill all kind of opponents... i use my normal attack on them... i only use scatter if my enemy has creeps so thats he is force to go back and assasinate to soften the enemy ... i almost use my normal attack that is why i got EOS for making the enemy slow... and if the enemy is running i can use my assasinate again.... sorry for my early comment i was confuse... hehehe

I think you should include dager of escape or lothatrs edge for escaping

yo, u can c de tower in 770 range... n de range of de towers(not de fountain) r 750...

err dude check ur guide,u said use scatter in early game n one wave of creeps is urs,bt the prob is dat in ur guide u dun add scatter in early game buriza would be nice,critical at far range by the tym ur enemy approach u his life would be nt much den

omg!!! I add scatter shot but it's only lvl 1 and i'm lvl 7. take a look at my skill build.... and read my early game strategy in FARMING.. use scatter shot if all creeps have damages and go to the middle and all golds are yours,, ok not all but 3-4 creeps... hahaha
ok,, it's nice to put buriza i have one free slot in my item build...but i did not but it bec the game maybe over before you can buy it..

Nice strategy. EoS is great on Kardel. To anyone bashing Kardel, remember, he's a SNIPER! You shouldn't be rushing head-on against a STR hero. In fact, this is probably true of most AGI heroes...just stay frosty, so to speak, and very far away - USE THAT RANGE!
Although I don't use Kardel much, I'd imagine the secret shops would be perfect ambush sites - not only will they not know what hit them, they'll have absolutely no way of getting to you!

Do you know that DAGON for Kardel Early-Mid Game is a good item for Kardel. Here's the tactic hit a few shots on the enemy then dagon then assasinate.That's Easy Money right?

aw!!!!!! dagon on kardel yeah it could be an easy kill in early game only but i dont like it, it is better if you buy him agi type items or hp and mana regenaration items or items like skadi and linken that adds stats to boost his hp and mana but anyway thanks for the comment ever heard a crixalis with a dagon?? hehehe

Hey! I use kardel when my opponent is brood mother. Im just wiping out brood mother's spiderlings by scatter. Anyway nice strat! But I included the mjollnir as my optional item.

Try the Insane AI of cloud_str and you'll get PWND if you do 1v5 seriously >_>
Sniper is pretty lame seriously he's like a hero who depends mostly on items that disable / stun ( if there is any ) / slow like skadi
and i think relies on allies to kill >_> so seriously dude he sucks and is only for beginners >_>
Mjollnir is good...

not bad but perseverance shouldnt be one of ur final items. replace that with mkb or lothars for escaping

i think i dont have any gold to replace that item and i think that item is already ok...

wouldnt u be worried with anyone who can evade ur attacks or windwalk or invisibility?

i usually get SnY for kardel for extra life, extra speed and extra slow..! then i go EoS...then lothars edge for escaping since he is very easy to pawn..!

i guess the part where u scatter shot behind ur enemy may depend who the enemy hero is..nice strat though..

i heard dat if u get 3 mkbs its like practically perma stun but i havent tried it myself and i doubt it can any one confirm?

Other optional items are.....buriza,MKB,S&Y,hyperstone, mjollnir and aegis....

If i'm not wrong,butterfly gives 50% IAS in total.Right?

If i'm not wrong,butterfly gives 50% IAS in total.Right?

with the item build that i get for kardel he has heaps of health +70% (approx) attack speed and does over 400 damage a hit so most heroes will be dead before they reach him.

i recommend treds,manta,butterfly,hyperstone,manta for early game too make them slow down with purge late game too escape with manta and kill faster,hyperstone for faster mana burn

are u playin vs ai its nearly impossible to have these items kardel is a good hero when you did 2 bashers and a hyperstone when you add monkey king to this items you ll be unbeatable you dont need butterfly or eye of skadi

omg!!!!! kardel is an agi type hero!!!! all agi type hero needs butterfly... since kardel has no slowing skill and has a low hp and mana,,, kardel need EOS!!!! MKB + Bashers = bad idea!!!! yeah sometimes i play vs ai but i also play with my friends and battle net players.... well kardel has a skill scatter shot witch can wipe 1 lane of creeps and thats why i can buy expensive items at low lvls....

Why don't you try a power treads, 2 bashers, S&Y, butterfly, linkens build on this old guy. I'seen him got a triple kill with that build, the hero can't barely move becuase he gets repeatedly stunned over and over again. Just a suggestion, but y'all will love it i tell you.

i think desolator is greater than skadi becuase kardel has a great range

i rekon kardel shouldnt get TWO bracers, atleast get null taliman?? for large mana pool

@ knighttimer - omg!!!! bracer is more usefull bec he is easy to kill at early game....
@ kiichi - Skadi is more useful not only bec of it's frost attack, it can add a huge number from your stats...
@ aliboy - 2basherS?? i hate bashers on kardel.. yeah you can stun your enmy but look at the damage... skadi is more useful than 2bashers on kardel...

nice guide. i usually get BoT, MkB, buriza, EoS, S&Y, and butterfly. i gotta write a strat for that. I have gotten it before, with scater shot it's possible. you just gotta be able to know when to use it.

I think your being a litle stupid saying in a five on five everyone should pick they're heros to help kardel. hes a fun hero but he is definately not the best. Basing a lineup on him is a guaranteed loss.

Anyone who's not a noob or a dummy in DOTA will tell u to stay away from Kerdel. He's a noob's hero. A lot of times he's picked by noobs coz of his range and easy to navigate style.

But on competetive play, this hero REALLY SUCKS.His ulti is super weak. His skills are useless and he doesn't give anything in a team game. His base damage is decent at best and he has no stun or diaable ability. A hero like that is trash.

Kardel is trash.

lol dude, 1 word for the sniper: buriza do kanyon

actually thats 3 words, but you know what i mean

actually thats 3 words, but you know what i mean

And i got 4 words for u? "Are you a noob?" A pro player knows that in a team game, his character must be able to bring something special to the table in order to help the team. Buriza? Are you dumb or something? Where will you find that much money when your hero is useless and your frequently getting pwned? Before you get Buriza, you first have to pwn heroes and dominate lanes. A true pro knows Kardel cant do that. That's why he's trash. TRASH.

agree on the sniper heroes. this hero SUCKS. lol. Naix pwns this guy in aa section any day. even if you have linkens, a good sk can rape you in about 10 seconds. and considering you dont get scatter in early game, many other heroes can own the hell out of you. The thing about sniper is when every1 is lvl 10, youre lvl 9 but with 500 more gold. but with your build, u have 500 less gold, maybe the same level if your lucky. Kardel sucks lol. only thing hes good at is farming, and he gets ganked after 2 waves. neutral farming? well hes okay, just he lacks the health. my build? blink dagger, sobi maskx2-3, hyperstone and some dmg items (any are good) why blink? if u dont get u get PWNED!!! lol... imagine this guy's build vs silencer:D only thing good about this guy is his atk range, which is NOT early game important unless you are facing total NOOBS. the only thing good in early game is sobix3+scattershot+VERY NICE ANIMATION (the bullet flies instantly, instant deny/last hit)

Other wise, i dont think is good. BTW< ASSASINATE is a good spammable once you reach lvl 3, but i dont think you ever will, LOL

@ dep_violator - hmm.. dont waste my time .. if i'm a noob plss make your own guide... let see... btw buriza is a optional item.. st***d!!!

@weave - so what if kardel sucks??

this guide suxx..

you aim for a lvl4 item with no proper farming strategy..

you sed to use a scattershot in early game? when you get it at mid game?

tsk2?

and i tell you..

you waste the permabash capabilty of dwarven, its like mkb is your last item..

Of course you are a noob. You're very name states that and indeed you are a noob. I don't know why a lot of players fall in love with the sniper when in fact Kardel is one of the dumbest and most useless heroes in Dota if not the dumbest and most useless hero. In pub games, he's useless and is shunned in competetive games. Just about as useless as a duck. I already stated why Kardel is useless. NOW LEARN TO READ. NO STUN, NO DISABLE, AND NO HIGH DAMAGE DEALING ABILITIES. Now can you read that noob? And I don't need to explain how those 3 work. Every pro knows that. Obviously you don't. Kardel must be buried and must be labeled useless, noobs wont learn anything from this hero. Also stick it into your heads that the sniper has no perma stun. I don't consider a stun as something that is less than a sec. Lastly why should I make a guide about a useless Kardel hero. He's crap and I don't like him. he's a noob's hero.

Your just being mean... Lots of noobs may like kardel but that doesnt mean he is a "n00bish" hero! He has lots of complex situations, eg: mana... you think a "N00B" is going to find this EASY? And the pourpose of the stun is to stop channels, You think a "noob" will even know that he CAN stop a channel? NO! Kardel may have range and stuff and his attack is invisible... This gives a little stealth... And yet do you call Rikimaru and Gondar "n00b" heroes? You think that just because The attack strat is short, its "n00bish"? Read a drow strat, is it any longer?? NO!!! But I dont see "noobs" using her! And you think Kardel gets pawned a lot??? When you keep getting slowed and stunned, How the hell can u chase?? dep_violator, YOU are the n00b!

Anyway, the strat is quite good... Barathrum is a perfect ally 4 kardel... Nice compact straight forward item build too... But U should upgrade scatter shot sooner...

Nice guide for a beginner, , for me I always play with power treads, 2 Bashers, 2 Hyperstones and MKB, its GAME OVER nyahahahhaha!!!

Nice guide for a beginner, , for me I always play with power treads, 2 Bashers, 2 Hyperstones and MKB, its GAME OVER nyahahahhaha!!!

well guys.... dont call me a beginner!!!!
and i'm not a noob.. you dep_voilator your a noob!!!Fu**ing NoOB!!!!
well this strat is for newbies who doesnt know how to use kardel... but me i have a way on playing kardel... i have a new item build and tactics but i will not tell you that bec it is hard to learn!!!!! and maybe you wont understand it!!!! @angelmarky - 2 hyperstone is a waste!!! your kardel is easy to kill with that kind of item... i will just use doombringer and your kardel is dead chicken.... and yeah MKB + Basher = bad idea @ herbs - i put lvl 1 scatter shot at level 7 and it is still on early game... are you BLIND??? well MKB is optional.. NOOB!!!!! well sorry but i hate noob people who calls me a beginner and saying that my kardel strat sucks.. kardel is for noobs, kardel is a crap..

GET OUT. NO FLAMING HERE. Dep and Noob28, you are warned.

Debates on Kardel's merits in team battle should be done in the appropriate thread. go there. Not here.

We are not debating admin. I for my part is merely stating the obvious. Please get that straight first and foremost. Malau ang argumento sa stating mere facts. What I merely said was that this guide is a noob's guide and a useless hero if you get down to it. Why would you be offended noob when I say your guide sucks coz it's for a hero with little value? And also if you want just good comments for you, you're not asking for comments. You're asking the readers to kowtow to you. Lastly for the admins. Define flaming?

dep, like Yukino said, you've been warned. If you don't know what flaming is, look it up. No, we're not asking you to kowtow. You can get to point without trash talking. OK? More crap from you then you'll get it. Same goes to you noob28.

This so-called ban thing serves no real purpose aside from show the other posters that you guys wield a stick. Of course it is a paper stick. A banned guy can easily create an account again so why bother. Ans also, I don't need to know the definition of flaming coz it doesn't include the word "true and obvious". Kardel is a noob's hero. Useless and pretty much ready to be buried.

Hmm.. seems like more people don't like Kardel. I started a thread about this a while back mainly cos've erroljandaman's assertion that Kardel is the best agi hero, but I'm not sure what happened to it. I think one of the admin's said that debating about heroes was pointless because it's the players that make the difference.

my MKB is for optional,3 bashers is ok. Scatter at early game only waste ur mana, Your full mana only give 2-3 assasinate for a first blood

@dep: Stop rationalizing your crass behavior. Stick to what should be discussed here.

And I am sticking to the discussion admin. lols! An admin said that heroes don't matter but it is a question of player skills is either outright lying or either outright ignorance. Of course HEROES MATTER. There are noob heroes and there are p4p heroes. Kardel is one of the most useless hero in dota coz of 3 simple things. 1. No stun. 2. No disable. 3. No high damage. And also if it were merely up to the player's skills, then why the hell are they still they fixing bugs and imbas and patching this dota up? lols! It only means that heroes make the difference. Player skill on top level basically is co-equal with one another.

How about getting a buriza.

Errm... I'm going to act like that bloodthirsty battle never happened and I never took part in it... Anyway, I dont think there are noob heroes cause no matter who you pick, there will always be problems... Anyway, I usually get BoT or Lothars cause Whenever someone sees kardel, everyone goes for him... look at "sniper, where r u?" on youtube.. LOl! I've had those kinds of experiences...

What I do with Kardel when reaching lvl 2 & 3 of Assassinate is Spam it. Upon seeing the enemy hero hit it with Assassinate first and few shots then Assassinate again.Assuming you have butterfly/Skadi around level 11. My build for Kardel is Headshot, stats, headshot, stats, headshot, Assassinate then headshot.i prefer the stats to boost damage plus bonus from headshot and hp and mana to spam assassinate early on Next skill builds depends already on enemy levels items and strat. Nice strat though.

Nice strategy but I recomend that you concentrate on scatter shot and take aim foirst because it is the best of the three skills. Then I suggest giving Kardel Boots of Travel, Buriza, Eye of Skadi, HyperStone, Butterfly, then an Aegis wouldn't hurt to escape from the stunners.

i would rather go for 4 slippers of agility at the start rather than the gauntlets and boots. u need alot of damage at the start, and boots are a noob item for any one to get at the start and totally unnecessary. sniper can still get hit by the tower atb any range btw. and remember movement speed doesnt stack

i say max scatter shot last, before stats, i mean, why use scatter shot when you can ulti 2 times! , scatteris only good for stealing towers,

@Trigg3r

It is very possible to get the whole creep wave with a scatter shot. I have gotten it at lvl 7 maxed out and it HURTS a lot. Farming is also very nice. It may hurt you in mid game so you may have to go neutral.

hurting meaning, without take aim or head shot.

he's fav hero too! i suggest blink dagger 2 getaway quick cuz he haf low hp n heroes lyk bloodseeker or mercurial can kill him reli fast.

yeah nice guide , but i would probably replace treads with BoT and pesverence with hyperstone. Thats only end game tho

I disagree with your abil build. Headshot over take aim. And get 4 wraith bands early for dmg and ias. You want to get as many head shots as you can. Also, some of your must avoid heros aren't that bad. Just gotta be careful. You out range them by a lot. If you see them come up, shoot them a few times and run. If htey keep trying keep running and as soon as they turn around you shoot them some more. The biggest problem is you HAVE to get the initiative in all things. Never get ganked and gank low hp heros. Headshot goes off an annoyingly large amount of times if you get 4 wraiths and max the skill.

not to bad

Why are someone is saying that "this guide sucks"??? dep_violator seems to not read the guide....it states to get a skadi, so it will support allies...and it states for a team game...noob28 says that you stick with an ally...

Off Topic:

Whatever happened to dep?????

Why are someone is saying that "this guide sucks"??? dep_violator seems to not read the guide....it states to get a skadi, so it will support allies...and it states for a team game...noob28 says that you stick with an ally...

Off Topic:

Whatever happened to dep?????

Why are someone is saying that "this guide sucks"??? dep_violator seems to not read the guide....it states to get a skadi, so it will support allies...and it states for a team game...noob28 says that you stick with an ally...

Off Topic:

Whatever happened to dep?????

Why are someone is saying that "this guide sucks"??? dep_violator seems to not read the guide....it states to get a skadi, so it will support allies...and it states for a team game...noob28 says that you stick with an ally...

Off Topic:

Whatever happened to dep?????

You are an idiot noob28, If you) equip 2 bashers, EoS, Power treads, Hyperstone, and Buriza, Kardel is invincible, your guide suxxx, but me like you give me your mail like that I can speak with you on PROVIDES and your heroes, and it will explain to you like it is necessary to to use Kardel..

I got PT, Persev, then EoS. Then I saved up, got Cryst for damage and then that was it, we won against 3 AI's. I had Drow Ranger on my team, and another guy I can't remem.

neva done that before nice guide quite useful

scattershot uses too much mana early game that you can't use assasinate after. scattrshot is overrated.

hmmmp!!!i made kardel an ultimate stunner by having twin bashers twin butterfly....power treads and a buriza!!!try it!!

hmmm... i think i will make another guide... IT's Kardel time part II..

DUNNO...*THINKING*

Nice.

ok guide *4*

your font is pretty thick. i prefer MKB>Buriza rather than EoS as it can help farming and killing alot faster.

hey how about this item build?
Threads
SnY
Butterfly
Skadi
i know its the items are expensive but if you play good and sniper can farm very easily with his range and scatter shot..so is this build good?

Nice guild but the items are not that good becous sniper is kinda weak you need to pump up the attack dammage a lot for you to kill easy tankers and not just the nukers and you dont need that much hp becous they cant hitt you if you play smart

why no bashers, and why linkens and pers?

so what kinda item build do you think is best?

My new Item build...


-Powerthreads
-Lothars(for escaping)
-Arcane ring(early farming)
-EoS(frost Attack, Hp and mana)
-Butterfly(Evasion and attack speed)
-Buriza

Optional items:

-Linken sphere
-Assault(Xtra armor and Attack speed)
-MKB(Attack speed)

Other item build...

Powerthreads
TwinBashers
AssaulT Cuirass
Butterfly
HoT

Optional:

-Buriza
-Linken sphere

I think your item build is qiute good. but i prefer boots of travel than power threads. And also i think Darkterror and Mortred can beat him easily too, plus if u'll play hide'n-seek with nukers, they even won't hit u!

this is what i bought when i played against an insane oblivion
-Boots
-SnY(Yasha first of course)
-Upgrade to BoT
-start farming EoS
-after that its mid-late game alrdy so i bought 2 Hyper stones

2x pers? lmao

spelling

how about makin a buriza too??

Buriza is a jcie item.. It;s mah optional item..


whats makin??

I usualy get a loathars edge main reason if someone gets in ur face u cant take hits and i just use windwalk and back off lol

well ds is a nice character to be its about the quality of the player but it depends who ur versing lyk if ur versing mike or wally or gay cunt 7up den ur dead but if ur versing noob marcus or dickhead coza than own the gay fag so now whos the ....... fag!!!! jimbo is also good if he is axe hmmmm he is very good in late mid early conclusion and intro di=uction a true drunk junkie of afl footy which he likes to watch but any i think that greedygood is a gay fag

Posted by kAEm
2006-12-20
The sniper is one of the worst heroes in dota as he has no stun or slowing skills and is usually incapable of killing anyone by himself. That said, this guide is not too bad. Personally I would replace the final pers with a s&y to provide extra slow. @ erroljandaman - I'd be interested to know which agi heroes you think are worse than sniper

Are you serious...he has an effective stun from his headshot which also adds bonus damage... very very usefull and rifle can take out a grip of heros one and one i don't know what your talking about there... plus his ult from that kind of range jesus... most players fear rifles snipe when they're bone'n out...a rifle thats stacked with s & y with skadi treads bfly bruiza and lothars its pwnage...

why don't you upgrade scatter 1st. i think that skill is effective for creeping/farming..

He is not a bad hero.. His only lackness is to perform a quick kill. He can only (or she:?) kill while he is chasing.. One important point is that while you are chasing somenone and you have skadi ranged you will slow him by %15 percent. But with your headshot u could stun it for a 0.25 seconds and that will close the range with the escaping coward. Also headshot happens too much cuz %40 is a great chance:) Think it as this way. Sacred relic and aegis is welcome. But no butterfly is needed cuz you won't fight close. if there is some one that could come close to you and start beating just buy a lothar. This is also an answer to guys whom says that he has no escape skills lol

He is not a bad hero.. His only lackness is to perform a quick kill. He can only (or she:?) kill while he is chasing.. One important point is that while you are chasing somenone and you have skadi ranged you will slow him by %15 percent. But with your headshot u could stun it for a 0.25 seconds and that will close the range with the escaping coward. Also headshot happens too much cuz %40 is a great chance:) Think it as this way. Sacred relic and aegis is welcome. But no butterfly is needed cuz you won't fight close. if there is some one that could come close to you and start beating just buy a lothar. This is also an answer to guys whom says that he has no escape skills lol

u suggested to use scattershot in ur early game, but u only hav lvl 1 scattershot in lvl 7, i seriously doubt dealing 200 damage to all creeps around ur enemy will make him fall back.
u didnt get kardel any escape items and because most people see him as easy money, all they hav to do is by Kelens dagger and bashers and ur fucked.
u should get kardel Sentry or Observers wards too because even if he has that big of an attack range, u actually arent allowed to see past 700'ish, even though u hav an attack range of 800'ish. (2500 for ulti, but u cant spam it unless u can see him). even though hes already got Headshot, most people like to buy MKB for added damage and a greater chance to disrupt channeling spells. i would replace Linkens with MKB cos linkens can be easily activated.

Kardel is the preferred n00b starting hero to learn DotA with.

@ Lupeman - Check mah New Item build.. it has lothars for escaping..

hEY dude nice work keep it up kk

this guide is pretty lame. first off you say use scattershot to farm and describe it in hero killing. "this is what you will do SCATTERSHOT HIS CREEPS without his creeps he is force to go back,, your teammate must STUN him then GIVE HIM A FEW SHOTS if running USE YOUR ASSASINATE ... ". May i ask how you would do this if you arent maxing it till level 15??? also why is viper catorgorized as a "nuker"??? too vague, too short, and your comments contradict with your build.

Looks nice man

for me the most impotant item for kardel is desolator,right?
but why this item doesnt include in this build?

Desolater doesn't stack with skadi..

desolator stacks with skadi...skadi isnt an orb effect for range...

lol btw, no scatter shot at early game?? lol...

4/10

your build seriously LACKS MANA, i prefer getting 2 null talismans for mp usage, as you will be spamming your assasinate and your scatter shot by mid game.

archmage - i forgot lol... but i don't like combining skadi with deso.. sorry..

Nice guide men. We have the same Skill Build. Also, I like your recommended items for Kardel.

Kardel is a preffered hero for the beginners. He is easy to use with.

_noob28_, thx 4 the super nice guide.

My new Item build at comment # 108

i would suggest a maelstrom for the chain lightening effect...very useful

i would suggest a maelstrom for the chain lightening effect...very useful

Ok.. optional item...

i thought the cooldown for assassinate is 30/20/10... dats wat i know

Do cranium bashers stack with headshot?

YUp.. stacks

Change the perseverance into two basher.. May b.. Ha..

@kAEm
The sniper is one of the worst heroes in dota as he has no stun or slowing skills and is usually incapable of killing anyone by himself. That said, this guide is not too bad. -- ei try checking out the headshot skill that he's got... no stun??? --

my own build for kardel:
2 cranium bashers, butterfly, SnY, battle fury or hyperstone, + power threads = super/hyper damaging sped kardel

try the craniums u can even go for 3 if u like... damn!!! enemy foe look like sitting ducks anytime/everytime against kardel... unless of course if the enemy hero has that blinking(coward skill) handy... just b sure if u face such, that ur shooting kardel fires like some crazy fool!!! like some loose m16!!!

try this and u'll see...

thanks!!!

great guide but can u put the words 'dwarven' and 'sniper' in the title? i didnt know his name was kardel so it took me fages to find this

wew...isaw so many ppl said that kardel is an useless hero....

wew,actualy he's ma 1st hero in DOTA and he's inspiring me to play with most of AGI hero...

ma comment for this guide is great,but probably ya can add more about harash enemy hero from the point that enemy cant see us...

for the other that think kardel is useless hero,probably ya think about 1v1 condition...

but in ma experienced using kardel,he's a great hero for 4v4 or 5v5...

he takes a big part on the team for killing and support the other DPS hero....

ma build for kardel almost same
-SoK
-AssCuiras
-powertread
-L Edge (also usefull for killing sumtimes)
-btrfly
-buriza

and usually i get lvl 2 scatter b4 lvl 7 and take headshoot later bcause i thing kardel is a mid late hero....

wat do ya think??

btw...8/10...hehe

shouldnt Dwarven Sniper buy desolater??

i wouldn't leard take aim first, scatter shot is more importain in the early game. sniper has low damage so the best way to farm in early game is by using scatter shot. by this, i can have null talisman, boot of speed, and skadi by 25 minutes after the game starts

Tnx for the nice comment guys..

I think that buying the eye first isn't advisble because sniper needs a lot of attak so i'll replace it with a monkey bar or butterfly!

pretty quick, not much explanation, also wheres S&Y? Also, the extra item slot could be used for curiass. 7/10. ASsassinate is annoying.

I think you need to get headshot last cuz its nopt dat important. I always get it last and it doesnt mateter

Who the hell is saying that Kardel sucks? He's a great hero in teamplay. His "worthless" stun you're talking about is great for saving teammates, which I did a lot. You have enough hp, or are behind cover, and your teammate has low hp, then stun (even though it's for a short time) can save him, by delaying the enemy hero, just 2 hits and your teammate will have enough distance, granted that you're not trying to save a techies from a bloodseeker or so to speak.
My build usually is :
Ring of basilus (to help control the lane)
Power threads (boots first, then glove)
Satanic (great for survivability and extra hp
Butterfly (extra damage, aspd and flee is useful when running away)
buriza (need I explain? Sick critical damage at a high attack speed)
Eye of skadi (You usually don't get here, but when you do, you're imba against most heroes)

Oops, I forgot my ability build. :S
I never take shrapnel shot 'till I got everything else, mainly 'cause it sucks early on, and by the time it becomes good, you could've been killing already. The damage & mana cost simply don't compare to the usability and damage of assassinate.
1. Take aim.
2. Headshot.
3. Take aim.
4. Headshot.
5. Take Aim.
6. Assassinate.
7. Take aim.
8. Headshot.
9. Headshot.
10. Stats.
then I continue pumping stats untill I can't do it anymore.

I'm always at mid with sniper, just shoot the creeps and deny like you would, but once you see the enemy is focusing on creeping, you shoot him for a bit, hopefully, you've hit him a few times earlier on so that he won't have alot of hp left, once his HP starts to drop to around 250, you can start using assassinate, this will usually kill anything except pudge, watch out for ranged nukers, as they will rape you, you'd be better of asking for a laneswitch or getting hood of defiance, which will fuck up your build :/

once i fought a real pro whos plain annoying using sniper.he made a manta nad 3 bashers...WTF!! i thought he was noob....damn wrong i was. 3 kardel's with super bash skills in 1on 1 is a pain in the neck,sure his item build was out of the norm

How about this build:
1)treads
2)Desolator
3)butterfly
4)hot
5)hyperstone

I usually buy life steal items rather than regeneration items because of his great damage and attack speed. Also sniper doesn't need that much mana until late game for his ultimate.

well dude, i think this hero have scater ability so why not we use it wisely at the early game? this hero should earn more money than others if he use scater correctly. So i can say this hero should get more better items compare to others hero and this is where the best part is.

well i think this hero should buy intellegence items instead of strength items. Since kardel have such long range attack, how come still need that high HP? you still have time to retreat when melee or other long range hero approches u (except ambush). Kardel's assasinate is damn good with low cooling time but his mana is way too low for him to cast 2 or 3 times repeatly. So boost up his agility and mana is the correct strategy.

check my new item build..


comment 108..

i dunno about ur items.. this is wat i do to kick butt... hyperstone , 2x bashers, mkb,power threads and butterfly..i think..eh i cant remember la... sorry yeah..hua hua hua..... try and see..ur kardel should be shooting like an M 16 rifle...so quick and with his 3rd spell,'' headshot '' and with the 2 bashers..ur oppenent cant run,cant even touch you ..he wont be able to even attack you once... its a sad sight but.,.. hey who brought guns to their realm in the first place...

very nice i love it

VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY NCIENCIENCIENCIENCIENCIENCIENICENICENICENICENICENICENICENICENICENICNEICENI (NICE)

cnO ngaaral sa lOurdes schOol of mandaluyOng d2???????

great...but is it hard to start the game without hp regenerating item?

Biatch Joke only

I go for the mkb thing it stacks with his headshot skill and for the linken for those embarassing deaths like being nuked

like what others said, rather replace the perseverance thing w/ Sny for slow or deso for minus armour

Skadi is pretty hard to build so i go for critical and butterfly

oh by the way having two crystalis is better than furnishing it to burizza

I go for the mkb thing it stacks with his headshot skill and for the linken for those embarassing deaths like being nuked

like what others said, rather replace the perseverance thing w/ Sny for slow or deso for minus armour

Skadi is pretty hard to build so i go for critical and butterfly

oh by the way having two crystalis is better than furnishing it to burizza

why not turn perseverance into Bloodstone?
You could also use Monkey King Bar...
You could also use Buriza-do-Kyanon...

THIS IS GREAT...
BURIZA,HEADSHOT, AND MKB?
What a damage!!!

the worst strat put together in the history of strats bad grammar and spelling don't like the item build or the slkill build sorry nice try though

Kaem is a noob. Any good dota player knows that, played properly, Sniper pwns, end of story.

nice

My comment:
Scattershot is a NOOB skill
use take aim and headshot on the early game.
take scatter at lv 10 - 14, or after you have larger mana with skadi.
Take:
1. SKadi for a defensive kardel
2. Buri, Mkb, Mjolnir for a killer kardel

can you put maelstorm on kardel?

nice!!

Good guide for this shit hero :) going to try it on next dota match

S and Y would be very useful for him also IMO

S and Y would be very useful for him also IMO

Eye of Skadi's a bit of money dont u think let alone butterfly i think i might get eye late game...instead of mid and save up for the butterfly

Actually, I find getting Skadi first to be no problem at all. I can get it at lvl 15 and by 21 I have butterfly, with some leftover to farm for Linknis.

pudge, if ur not careful, makes meatloaf out of this game the whole way

thats stupid!! ur set is lame!!! what if ur enmy is rikimaru??
ull just get backstabbed everytime...

ur set will be worthless unless u buy chainmail and radiance

uve build a stupid set...

loser....

I agree..what happened if there were 6 riki with divines and they cast smokescreen, you;d be dead. Your build is nooby wooby noob. your a loser.
Apart from that i agree wif your bracers, but overall strat. blows.

VOTE KEVIN RUDD '07

You need to add monkey king bar and lotars and you need boots of traval instead of treads

I usually make tower destroying sniper. Therefore i always go for take aim and scatter shots. I start with RoB then upgrade to perseverance. After which i'll go for threads and lothars. By which you should be quite untouchable unless you're gank by 4 enemies or more. You're best at chasing running heroes, so WW to enemy back scatter, shoot twice plus assasinate. You should get decent kills. After which after building SnY, you should be pretty strong. Pick up a linken and push multiple lanes.

my kardel itembuild
power treads
linken
refresher orb
skadi
something else


it's just a time matter, and it surely matters

Refresher?? Noob build!!

personally, i think it would suck building bracers for kardel. he has a range that kicks ass dude. wraith band will do the job. agi + dmg = pwnage. also, im worried about the escape incase of surprise attacks, kelen's would be nice but if you want escape + damage then you can use lothar's edge. my item build for kardel is

treads = movement + atspd
ONE Basher = headshot does the rest
Manta Style = that's why i only build 1 basher
Blink/Lothar's
Divine Rapier = to kick ass

I almost kill Kardel using Pudge(thanks to PenguPenguin's strategy)and his always to me since I get use to Pudge! So no problem to me! Karel is also weak in early game because of lack of escape mechanism! Thats why Kardel is no match on me anymore!

Good Stat 4 kardel....=.=

it is a cool item and tips for kardel...

try this.. max out your take aim and headshot first..

items: mask of madness, mkb..

i think deso is the best

Can u put bashers on kardel?

kardel is very strong ...

Well, It seems that we can't play Kardel the same way in every game. Got to be flexible and, of course, avoid Pudge. Kardel can be killed very easily.

try those items on Kardel...
Stygian Desolator
Linken's Sphere
Buriza-do Kyanon
Hyperstone
Power Tread
- optional item -
Sniper with desolator in mid game can kill you before you notice that you're dead

I don't think the bracers will work. But, I sort of like it.

hey Isolated's right, bracers aren't for kardel, he's an agi type, lol. u should try 2 wraith bands and in addition 2 that, lothars can be a great escape mechansm bec. of windwalk..

dude you need buriza

u should juz get arcane ring , lols

its an alright guide, i rekon gettin maelstrom is way easier to farm and kill yur enemies try gettin it like at d begining it helps quite alot for me when i got 1 on 1 or 2 on 1, they get near mee chain lightning dey run chain light kill

Nice guide for beginners....obviously not exactly the way i would play sniper though..since he's the first DotA character I've ever played... well nice guide anyways

I just got a tip from my cousin about buying double bashers for sniper. I don't think it's a really good idea, but he does it and has never lost a game, so...

Just got owned by Alchemist Lol

Nice guide, looks expensive though...
I heard that MKB doesn't stack with Kardel's mini stun or bashers(need to be confirmed).
Bracers are good if you are being targeted constantly, otherwise just go with wraiths.
I agree with some people here - try desolator! -

this kid needs to work on his grammer 6/10

@friedricey
Actually, both MKB and basher stack on Kardel, and desolator really isn't worth it, the slow is much better for Kardel's natural ministun/assassinate combo.

Sorry for the double post, but I mean the slow on Skadi. Sorry.

My Latest Item For now if you want to be a killer Type is..

powertreads
arcane ring
Lothars
MKB
Butterfly
EoS


Optional Item is


Mjollnir

hahaha now you have your new items...nway i think you shouldn't include arcane for kardel and replace it with basher believe me i always see a pro kardel using bashers and they own.

i prefer lothars, power edge, satanic, butterfly, and sange and yasha for the sniper. it makes him almost godlike

...get 2 basher with him n 1 desolator n u OWN!!!...

My build .
Boots.
Bracer.
Bracer.
Lothar.
Buriza.
Skadi.
ButterFly
and more =)

Scatter shot is almost completely useless at the beginning if ur soloing because enemies can see it coming and they just run...Take aim and headshot are much more useful...but otherwise good guide

Well, i personally go for a little different item choice:

1) treads ofc.
2) braces -> MKB
3) braces -> EoS
4) Arcanering -> Lothars/Linken`s Sphere
5) mjolnnir
6) Butterfly

item chose ofc depend alot of the game..

xha0qxha0 tnx guys its very great strategy!

Not bad strategy, but why don't you include S&Y at the start,bracers no need.the S&Y can help in the maim and increase attk speed right..?

not bad. personally i think lothar shld b an add on to sniper. its the only way to survival. it does help alot when chased,ganged.

my items for sniper-
-boots of travel
-lothar
-burize
-satanic
-butterfly
-manta or eye of skadi

skill build i would rather add stats instead of scatter shot. why? its because i can last hit and deny very easily with sniper,and i can concentrate well on my lane. ppl will buy basilus,arcane,perseverance to increase the mana regen jus for scattering. it is very unnecessary. lane controlling last hitting n denying. offense is what sniper is meant to be.

I like to give kardel a satanic,buriza,mkb,power treads,butterfly,linken...

For me Kardel is the worst agi. Hero in Dota.

He is easy to kill and he havent scape skills.

yah mkb is a bomb item on sniper. nice guide 810

lots of mistakes...
get a dominator helm in early game and do the satanic untill late game. linkens spere and preservance r foolish
get a hot and IAS and if there r any nukers get a hood since u will be the primary target. with this build u can outrun any non-permastaner easilly.

only noobs use sniper cos hes untouchable at far, but get own by ambushes -_-:: he doesnt really hav much nuke except assasinte so hes dam boring for me, + hes such an EASY-TO-USE hero like potm & mr, it freaks me out.. >_> btw, i can still murder him and practically avoid his shots but not his assasinaTe..

and that's it? wow...
i experienced a lot more different kardel who was built as the aceplayer for any team games i joined... just like the unstoppable silkwood...

I think you should put a stygian desolator at early game. well that's what i think

nice guide but i've tried a different build:

1)boots of travel(for chasing and k0 with take aim)
2)brACER(for survival)
3)brACER(for survival)
4)butterfly(evasion and helps)
5)cranium basher(stun)
6)cranium basher(helps)

this is what i aim for and if the game carries on then i'd get a linkens sphere or a eye of skadi(i dont go for this since its expenisive).

forgot to add tht sometimes in early-mid game i buy hyper stones to help farm and push.

yeah yeah already had perseverence, treads, 2 bracers, butterfly and EoS midgame? bullshits.

is it appropiate for kardel to have a life steal item?thanks guys,enjoy playing DOTA

I'm not sure about lifesteal, i've thought about it. If you get Kardel with Butterfly, MKB, Radiance, Skadi - you'll have +240 damage at level 25. You'll probably kill your enemies before they can even hit you!

I'm not sure about lifesteal, i've thought about it. If you get Kardel with Butterfly, MKB, Radiance, Skadi - you'll have +240 damage at level 25. You'll probably kill your enemies before they can even hit you!

I'm not sure about lifesteal, i've thought about it. If you get Kardel with Butterfly, MKB, Radiance, Skadi - you'll have +240 damage at level 25. You'll probably kill your enemies before they can even hit you!

Ahh.. sorry about that.. my internet died on me, and the thing posted itself a few times. Sorry. Can someone remove two of the three posts? Sorry..

i dont get it. right lane? is that top or bottom

i dont get it. right lane? is that top or bottom

Butterfly and Skadi is a good combo..u might want to pair Skadi w/ S&Y and MKB as well..Skadi is expensive but heck, +200HP and +150 mana? where would u get that?!

Late game sniper is really useless. I never ever seen someone who can pawn other people with sniper during late game.

Late game sniper is really useless. I never ever seen someone who can pawn other people with sniper during late game.

hey in a 5 on 5 game i bet u can't make butterfly and eos, unless & untill ur opponent are that weak,even if u dont die in the match,u cant just make the items u listed.

2 bashers are great for kardel,, i really think becoz,, u see,, i have a game back then that i have used tide hunter and i have items like:::: 2 BATTLE FURY, a HEART OF TARRASQUE, A DESOLATOR, a POWER TREADS , And a CUIRASS,, like i have a +200 plus attack,, and an imba attack speed and like im almost invulnerable but when the kardel there has farmed for his two bashers and power treads and wraith bands,, like im stunned like im gonna die everytime i try to kill him.. and after that like kardel is nnow a favorite of mine,, like with 2 bashers and butterfly,, i can kill any hero 10n1 and im a great support too...

MAN LOL U cant have till level 16 skardi perservance butterfly,treads,and 2 bracers relax

nice liked it

I think Kardel doesn't need Basher!!!!!!!! Replace it with MKB!!!!

GREAT STRATEGY!! Now I can beat everyone..!!!

Nice guide! But why keeping preservence at l8 game why not get some thing better??

gee dude, do you cut ur english classes back then? u grammar and spelling sucks.

rubbish you dont have lothars edge, you'll get done quick as.

try this item build, after i activate satanic my life never went down.

power treads
Helm of Dominator -> Satanic
MKB
Butterfly
Burize
HoT

^_^

wats with the dots

nice build. I'd replace skadi with deso though. take out perseverance cause linken already provides enough regen. I get divine rapier and aegis as my last items if I'm doing really well. other than that. good build. I went 24-3 (3 was because partners would never call missing in beginning.) I give this build 8/10

oh and y0gami. You can easily get a bfly and eos in 5v5 if you're good and you farm well. even if you only get a few hero kills all you have to do is farm creeps and you can get all the gold you need. especially in late game with level 4 scatter shot.

Whoever says sniper is "noob" either hasn't seen anyone who has played good with him or you yourself SUCK as him.

Seriously, if you are REALLY good and smart with kardel and against your enemies, then he is kickass all game.

i think some loathers would go along nicely, since you have low hp you can get away easily. i really dont like perserverence tho. put loathers there instead

items seem a little tooo expensive to be bought mid game. I also disagree with the fact that you should continue attacking towers without your creeps. This gives enemy heroes a chance to pawn you

I like it...

really bad items. build: Vanguard, Stygian, Wraiths, Cuirass, Butterfliy, MKB. Focus on stygian and butterfly. Vanguard is useful for additional HP, hp regen and block attacks.

The skill build above gives no way for kardel to use any mana until level 6, which is a waste. He can still use scatter shot a few times and be at full mana by lvl 6, in time for his ultimate. My versatile item build is (chronologically): wraith bands, boots, s&y, crystalys, butterfly & BoT then your choice.
Sniper should regularly get the most tower kills on his team, work well with tanks, and using these items be able to hit at about 245-251 (total) at level 21, and being an agility hero, he’ll do it all at lightning speed too. Enjoy.

umm..good guide but a lil too short

headshot is