heavenBane's Guide to FEEDING with the Weaver

Hmm.. not bad but not quite what I would do. Personally I always go for radiance first and I don't agree with getting two mkbs. A buriza would be better than a second mkb. I always get at least one level of watchers at lvl 10. In a team game having a good recon will help you (and your team) to win a lot more than you having more stats.

although EoS in an orb effect, the frost attack will only werk if Germinate Attack triggers.

actually RANGED eye of skadi is not an orb effect... only melee... and NW is a ranged hero...

@ Heavenbane: drop one MKB. @ Biblebash. It works the other way. Frost attack DOESN'T work when germinate attack triggers.

nice guide for hero killing
but i think a hero with along stun can kill u easily
nw strength is really suck early and mid game

@yukino_silvermaine: Actually I think that greater chances of Bash/Critical is more useful than adding another damage modifier. So I use 2xMKB OR 2xBuriza.

2xMKB: 51% chance to bash. Break the Town-Portal escape tactic of heroes when engaged by the Weaver...

2xBuriza: 36% chance to critical. Kill the hero before he can even use the Town Portal. That hero can't stand a chance against the Weaver...

@kAEm: Er... Watchers at Lvl 10? Well that's a pretty good idea for teamwork. But the Weaver I do is a killer/chaser/hunter one... And so I prefer to buff-up my Weaver first before using a watcher to help my team.

@BibleBash: I just mentioned in my guide that the Eye of Skadi is an optional item. But I strongly prefer the Heart of Tarrasque. Eye of Skadi's frost attack modifier is not of much importance because you can always chase your enemy with Shukuchi. So you don't really need to slow your enemy. You just get near them. And so I think 35+ strength is more preferable than the Frost.

Thank you for your comments.

With this hero being a weaker version of clinkz, and having a low stat gain, your choice of skill points is rather unacceptable for a maximum efficiency build. Radiance on weaver is insanely invaluable as it works really well stacking with Shukuchi. After experimenting with many builds, skill points are best spent in stats early after putting 1 point into both Shukuchi and Geminate Attack (levels 3-5). Level 6 get ult, and then with 7, 8 and 9 max Shukuchi. Geminate Attack is very nice, but the glaring weakness of health and the bonus of +6 damage, attack speed and additional mana early is also very useful. I suggest Ring of Basilius first, 3 Wraith Bands and Treads early with the use of tangos to hold you over until you can afford a sacred relic. Hopefully if you farm well early, (and with all the + damage you should be able to last hit well), hopefully around level 12 you can afford it which is around the time you start leveling up Geminate Attack and become a pretty strong DPSer/Chaser and with the addition of Radiance shortly after can force enemies to stick together and rely on disables to even have a chance at fighting you.

Not trying to discredit you at all, but your guide is rather lacking in the logistics. I mean Time Lapse at level 9? Why? If you are laned verse nukers it can easily setup a trip back to the fountain, death, and may very well setup a kill. With the additional health and damage from stats, you can go toe to toe with nukers, force them to use their nukes, negate the nukes and possibly finish them off. Yes having only level 1 Shukuchi limits the early game chase but without armor from basilius early and without health chasing is just asking to die. (Such a huge difference when chasing through towers)

"If you are laned verse nukers it can easily setup a trip back to the fountain, death, and may very well setup a kill". Setup is a typo, I meant to say prevent.

Once again, I am trying to point to the weaknesses to the guide, not you. Weaver is one of the most challenging heroes to play and requires a lot of skill to do well with.

Just try my build see if you like it. If you fail to farm well enough to get the radiance in time for it to be clutch, the wraith bands and RoB can be replaced with a HoT, Aegis/Rapier and finally a Butterfly/Burize. I understand you want to prevent TPs with MKB and if someone is smart enough to do this to you to escape then farm one after the Radiance. The Radiance is what causes hundreds of damage during a chase stacked with Shukuchi.

I also recommend the Bottom lane for Sent and Top for Scourge as even in TDA games if you can do decent holding your own early with Shukuchi. I recommend laning with a heavy nuker/disabler if you want first blood. Otherwise you have to play off of enemy mistakes.

Maybe I should just write a guide myself

Nonetheless Skadi only works when G.Attack goes off (every 4seconds assuming the skill is at level 4) Thus it is really not wise to waste, and i use that term very strongly on an Eye Of Skadi

i was under the impression that with 2 burizas there would be a chance that the crits would cancle themself out or is that if the character has a crit skill???

Nononononnononono!! 2MKB won't do. Get 2x Cranium bashers, Linken's, Treads, Mekansm(Switch to heart later), and Butterfly, for starters. Germinate attack gives you more opportunities to stun your enemies (even if it's 10% for a basher).

Bashers? Mek? LoLs! Are you one of those players that gets 2 Bashers on every agility hero?

This hero has Shukuchi, the point of bashers is to control the fight, which isn't needed here. It would be way too situational for cost effectiveness. Treads and Butterfly for your only attack speed with a 4 second geminate attack for bash lock? Would you get the bashers before or after the butterfly? Damage/control wise there is much better.

Just try getting a 25 minute Radiance, and tell me how it works for you.

Strategy Rank: KILLING SPREE. Two MKB+ Butterfly+ EoS.......are you sure the game will last that long? 4/10......sry...

eye is orb effect lor no matter whether its ranged or meelee lor.. knnbccb noob.. u go try la.. i tried liao.. ccb.. so noob just keep it to urself la still wan post.. -.-""

@DotaDivine: Thit is DS item note for Skadi [quoting]Melee Eye of Skadi is an orb effect, and does not stack with orb effects; Ranged Eye of Skadi is NOT an orb effect, and stacks with some orb effects.[/quoting/]. There we go. . By the way, please try to straighten your english, so we can understand more of what you want to say.

@DotaDivine - you are noob, keep that in mind before you call someone else noob. EoS ranged is an attack modifier, not an orb effect, you can get it with weaver.

@ DotaDivine = LURK MOAR. Ah, I mean think before you say anything. Better yet, play more DotA. It seems that you don't know much about Orb Effects..

@DotaDivine-what he means by saying "knnbccb" means fuck your mother smelly cunt in hokkien which is chinese dialect.no offence on what i said,i was helpng quickbrownfox to understand.

I thought 2x mkb would be rediculous until i thought about it. 51 chance for +100 damage and cancel channeling? Sounds awesome.

Although 2 mkbs wont work -too- well, so to balance it out, i would get a bzk, butterfly, skadi, and Treads. If i try out 2x mkb and find it isnt worth it, i'll change the 2nd mkb to another bf ;]

ummm...nice guide really is..but i want to comment too !!! having 2 mkb? not really necessary..one is enough i guess 3/10 shots will trigger +100 bonus damage and trigger effect will be maximized when attackspeed is high...i prefer having mkb(atkspd and to stop channeling spells),skadi(boosting your atkspd,armor,hp,mana,agi as primary atributes and can be added to base damge),buriza(for critical),butterfly(evasion and atkspd) and vanguard(reduces damge taken)...believe me using vanguard will help a lot to weaver..u will see the difference when u use it...well this was only a comment and this is my item build im just sharing it ...as for your guide...i think u want to make the weaver a fast killer..in that case...opposing player(s) will usually do a counter measure..whereas your enemy are not dumb to be killed easily...they will either use lothars, guinsoo, dagger of escape...and assuming u have this items pefectly build...dont u think by the time u got this items...the enemy only have power threads and vanguard? i dont think so...nevertheless, if they think that your a threat to the opposing team...they wont go solo hunting instead they'll stick together and push to penetrate your base...they are most likely to support each other to kill u instead of killing them 1 by 1...not mentioning the skills that the enemy hero has...DONT IGNORE IT ... well tnx for giving me the chance to share my point of view keep it up

well not a bad strat i guess! when i play weaver i use to get..EoS, Radiance and threads..if I can afford to buy butterfly, i will go for it or radiance perhaps, or hyperstone maybe...i havent tried MKB on weaver yet and i will try it now..and i usually go for shukuchi first..it is better to surprise your enemies..! nice strat though...

crit cant be its deadliest arsenal..

^,..,^ har har!!! no one use 2 vanguard for safe!! i recommend middle games 1 or 2 vanguard with a weapon of crystalys! it also help anub'seran life ^_^

time laspe is very important, u need that at lvl 6, since u dont have nearly the amount of health you would like.

If germinate wasnt a orb effect, then life steal wud be a must for weaver.

well.. i think radiance or mkb is the best item 4 this hero.. in radiance, you can kill well partnering it with shukuchi.. while with mkb.. it's additional 100 damage has a greater chance to take effect with weaver's germinate attack..

Is the scadi is stack or unstack coz geminate attack is orb effect?

i don think having too many damage item wil assist u too much...

ur hero does not have PLENTY of hp 4 u to waste...if u r against some stunner or ing hero u even DOESNT have the chance to do some damage on them....

play safe n have a yasha n sange is my suggestion

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well i usually go for this:
Buriza if most opponents are range type heroes, Radiance if most opponents are melee type heroes,
but overall there is still Radiance, Buriza and MKB. EoS only comes in waay late game

2 mkbs are just LAWL stick to one and make a skadi.

great guide, went beyond godlike

i just used this item build for one exception, when i got hyperstone i went for assault curiass, then another hyperstone. I was imba, thx for gr8 item build :D

u can replace one MKB for a radiance

two buriza is better than two monkey king bar....hyperstone is not necessary if u gt a EoS n butterfly...heart is require for NW

Two buryza? Crits wont stack. Only damage.. Waste of money for the 2nd buryza. Better 1 buryza and 1 MKB.

wats an orb effect??

so wrong... radience needed early... farm from beginning.. and not 2 mkb'.. get buriza and maybe helm of the dominator.. nice with geminate attack..^^

SHORT

Not bad for a build.

8/10

my 1st time using weaver, my item build: power treads
MKB
Butterfly
3 Hyperstones

^_^

Well i reccomend gettin a radiance cause the dmge increase is geat.At the beginning get RoB and then maybe get some consumables then save all ur money for sacred relic!

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OMFG get some watchers here andt here, that way you dont get ganked you noob

this might sound weird, but replace the 2 bashers with a shiva's gaurd.
Tanking, Slowing Nuke, aoe disable, never ending mana. Costs way less.
Replace the mek with a van gaurd, regen will help you stay in lane forever, and you can tank some extra damage while chasing.

stopped reading after i saw this

This skill is very useful for teamplay. But since the Weaver is a hero-killer and somewhat a hunter, this is not of much importance.

Not of much importance? lmfao

how about put it in forests and some dumbass goes farming and you guys could organize a gank

or by having watchers going around in the forest you are less vulnerable to ganks, which can make you a better HERO KILLER later on in the game

HeHe, bad strat

Where is RADIANCE? That is important my fiend