Elemental Fury - A guide to playing The Invoker

zmarg

im really really impressed =]

very long and extenisve explinations, key comands and animation details =]

***** please?

five stars =]

are you sure about the emp range? :s seems a little bit WAY TOO FREAKING MASSIVE TO COMPLY...

Yay second comment on my own guide..zz orochi you beat me..THis still needs some extra work in terms of action screenshots which I hope to add soon. Happy reading. Hope you enjoyed it

wow..

great.
impressive..

10/10

Very nice strat, and very long. But imo that's a good thing, kael is pretty complicated if you want to learn all the various aspects of him. Well done!

Ermm....w0w If this won'tbe a featured guide next month i'm sure that i'm gonna be forced to kill someone....World DOTa record guide for:
EXTTREMELY LONG guide
FINISHED IT EXTREMELY FAST (Considering Kael is "new")
And best of allExtremely detailed guide for noobs (although some may get bored) and pros alike

Very well done One of the most thorough guides I have ever seen. Props to Amplirage! NJ

Talk about exhaustive. This guide is amazing so gonna use it to learn how to play this guy. Amazing Job.

very very complete

Very cool. Gratz on the great guide.

dude....
i bet nobody put so much work in a guide than u did.
AWESOME JOB
10/10

Great Job!!
I Salute You..
10/10

and now the barrage starts (jk I already gave you most of my comments)

I think the intro is a little long, the guide speaks for itself but people might be turned off by the intro

I don't think the location in the tavern is particularly relevant, taking that out won't shorten the guide by any significant amount though, just a thought

another con: he doesn't have stats as an option so he needs to get them from his items (or compensate with his skills)

"Some of the changes suggested will be implemented when I have time" I suggest you get on those

I don't want to read anymore so if I feel like it, I might comment later.

This is my item build..
.....
NAH! jus joking!

Detailed,ez to read and...well...wall of fun text reading
:D
200/10

Ive been waiting for a guide on invoker... this is brilliant

10/10

Not bad but can be better. In 80% of games you should asap lvl 4 quas. The lane staying capabilities of early game quas are incredible. Quas are like a constant Tango on lvl 3. Also since the change, the spirits help allot pushing and lasthiting. Also you forgot to mention the pusher/ disabler build. Here you focus on exort& quas/ quas& wex. These builds are very common and effective. Kael's stats are low and none of his spells can range slow/stun(ice wall placement is hard). EoS better 7/10

Superb! Pawnage Strategy guide !
Fabulous,well thought out and detailed.
I admire the sheer amount of work put into this.Well done!
Personally recommend this guide for The Guide of the Month.
10/10 !!

PS : What are the benefits of using a Refresher Orb on Kael ?

you even put pictures with a friggin keyboard
lmao
really REALLY great work
and some shitty new builds which I like
gj
*I promised myself not to cry*

continued...
Deaf. blast will push away your opponent and won't stop him, only silence, ice wall can be used under an angle so it reaches your enemy, but not easy. EoS is better. Maxing exort/wex early game is something I strongy disagree with. Those 2 orb are both for combat. Quas is a farming/lanestaying orb which is insane early game. Later it loses it's effectivnes. Quas alowes you to harass early game with ease, not worying about your hp(first few levels while nukes are weak).

I personally recomend this guide for the guide of the century
in my terminology, i`m not exagerating, let the mods decide that

though job ,ha?

one of the greatest strategy y have seen ;)...good job

Correct this :
Invoke your Chaos Meteor:

Keys: E W E + R(Invoke)

And, which version is this guide based ?
Kael can have invoke at lvl2 now IIRC.

um i generally like going pure damage output with HotD. Its orb effect solves the survivability issue. any assassin can easily take advantage of his low health. Drop in life gain and its easy to out-tank major tanks

@dogeht: I think thats the realy old invoker..

@Daswade: If you like it, get it. Like I said, kael is versatile, meaning there are few builds that are Wrong for him. Lifesteal is viable as he has a high damage output..

great guide man, very indept, very detailed, well written and interesting. amp ftw.

very very nice.
umm sorry fole, GotM probably just ran away from you.
nice and long with plenty of nice pictures.
meteor strategy is less viable now but thats not to say it doesn't work, just the cooldowns suck.

build pictures are quite good but i would suggest putting some explanations in (because you have plenty of space)

also satanic and mjolliner are not buff placers they are orb effects.
skadi and deso are buff placers.
buff placers dont stack.
orbs dont stack.

thus mjolliner does not stack with satanic but it does stack with skadi (ranged) (because melee is an orb) while deso is the only orb skadi does not stack with as it is both an orb and a buff placer.

@Jinn: I think refresher is not an extremely useful item on him as most of his spell cooldowns are rather short compared to other spells of the same power on other heroes. It is possible however, to chain more combos that way, however it is extremely mana taxing.

eeeer that text was copied from your guide look for it in mid game after ganking so pls correct it

i give this guide a damn 10/10 for your writing style, your pictures, everything.

I dont have time to read it all, so sorry if u have reasoning for this. But u get invoke at 6/11/16 like all other heroes even though u can get it sooner. Other then that amazingly good guide.

Nice job Amp!

wow .. holy .. props mehnn .. i gotta give them to you hw longg.. did it take you to make this O.o ...

i'm impressed
good job, as usual, amp
=P

nothing short of amazing

well done

=]

calculating the location of your target via his ms in a very short time is extremely difficult. yes, instincts is the best way to do it.

i like the presentation of finger placements. you could have used a laptop's keyboard for smaller image.

how about manta style? don't you recommend that item for your battle mage. it adds DPS.

your inventory at early game with PT, guinsoo, bracer, RoR and hammer? is it possible at what, level 11? the one with sacred relic seems realistic, haven't tried anyway.

item comparisons are good too. you say orchid is better ...for battlemage. but guinsoo is advisable to your balanced build.

well, those are some i noticed. there's my donation too. do you need DS' gold? i hope not.

your guide is long (as expected) and my head hurts after reading it. of course, it's so damn good. but hard for one straight reading.


great images and explanations. nice format. it's awesome. how about replays.

also, question: is your guide candidate for "Featured Guide"?

note: oh yeah, since your item build is flexible, why not remove all the items in the "Item Build" (after "Skill Build"). those PT, HoT, orchid, guinsoo, shiva, deso... take them out as you already show two item game images (which are great btw).

just a suggestion.

voted already. a nice 10. with all the typing, images, calculations, justifications, testing and updating... that's a lot of work. not to mention, hard work!

thanks to your kael guide. a good example for all guidemakers out there!

Lol I remember reading this back in like April or May or something, and I thought it was particularly detailed, but maybe a little bit too long, so as to say people won't be able to remember all your combo names by the time they get to the end and might have to go back up to check what they are and yeh hope you get what I mean. Maybe put a table to content with the link to where abouts everything is for easy access..
anyway this was good before and good now..can't praise you higher than that!

also, come back to Exclusive sometime eh? 10/10

i've read every part - and wow.

10+/10.
(not the athletics though)

filled with useful screenies.

the only problem is, i don't have really really fast fingers haha

oh my god pwnage guide. longest and most specific guide ever.

job well done OMG 1000/10

very impressive guide

not strange to have a 10/10 for guides by Amplirage
:D

this guide is so awesome. I have never thought of using tornado followed by a sunstrike. which is really powerful!. and the technics about how to use EMP against heroes is the best. i'm totally going to give you a 12/10 because it was even more than i expect for a hero guide. this is so good.!

daayymm! A++ from me, good guide amp! everything needed is shows here. A would 100% recommend this. More to come AND a rating once I'm sober enough to criticize what I'm reading (about a week)

Its... really... really... big... however, what was I expecting? Although I'd already seen this ages ago. Postponed due to Invoker skill revisions, we then updated the database and realized that Amp didn't actually need to change very much of his guide: thus, here it is.

I might not post my Leoric guide this month so I get a shot at GotM lol. 10/10.

@ shim
huh!? your leoric guide is for publish? i wanna read it too.

oh well, i hope my zeus guide get published this month. i'm not after the GotM anyway.

Very very nice guide and long, took me forever but i read it all phew...

Now there is hardly anything i can disagree with due to the fact that he has a lot of spells and for killing heroes there are a lot of possibilities however for the itembuilt.Also multiple choices so i can't disagree with here either. What i gonna say now is just me. I seriously like the Satanic-Eye of Skadi items together. It gives u survivability stats and a slow. Pretty good for the Invoker if you ask me.

But thats just me, i pick these 2 a lot. Well if i must choose between Guinso or Orchid then i would choose Guinsoo due to the fact that you then have another disable for ganging, escaping and chasing. Well i know you have a lots of spells which can disable but when they are on cd and you wanna try to invoke sometimes the enemy is already gone. However i mostly pick Guinsoo and Orchid together. Im not a huge fan of desolator since it only gives more damages and armor reduction, still i prefer

Satanic which we be a lot more usefull to you then a Desolator. With Bloodstone i can completely agree so nothing i can say about that. Well for your combos i think Ice Wall Meteor would be not that succesful because ice wall comes in front of you so you have to walk until the end of it to land a succsful meteor, the enemies are mostly to far away then fo a Meteor kill. Also i think you forget another GOOD combo which is ice wall alactricity. When enemy is hugely slowed you can constantly hit

them with IAS and more damage so a very important combo. If you are fast enough you can also old snap them after Ice wall which makes it a very important and deadly combo. Think you should add this. Ofcoursethere are a LOT of combos you can make but i find this is still one of the most important. Well the keyboard info is nice but wont work for me because i got an azerty keyboard so i still have more difficulties to cast 3 spells or even 4 spells in a row because the Q W en E are actuallt in a

difficult position for me but whatever. Im not here to tell you my lifestory lol

Well this is only i can give you. I congratulate you with such a nice Invoker guide. Good Job. 10/10

quale: this MONTH I said.

@Cyber Bunny: Yes, I realize that but whats the use of having a low powered spell? I would rather get an extra level of one of his orbs so that the Invoke is more powerful.

@GB: An azerty keyboard eh..i heard those ar for speed-typing. I don't see how i could have forgot such a great combo. I will certainly add it by the next update.

@Wisper: Mmhmm, I think i'll visit exclusive once in a while..

@Quale: My inventories are on the expensive side as sometimes, we must always aim big, even-

wow... thats a really nice strat
u spend much time for this? =D

if we can't farm it. You know, better have readers know what they must get instead of having them get the simple items and not knowing what else to get.
Also, he has a lot of aoe skills so farming is a breeze..

@others: Thanks for the compliments..

@lord: The writing itself was just about 10-12 hours but getting screenies, collecting information..editing, experimenting, getting ideas and feedback..that took much longer..about 2 weeks on and off.

Awesome! Thats a lot of details.

I can't really find any fault with this guide at all man... Other than the fact your introduction's really long and that emp's aoe seems to be a little too huge, this guide is a clear cut 10/10. I can't really find any fault with this guide. There's everything you need to know in here. Showing the keyboard screenies will help newbies alot. Since invoker requires you to use the keyboard way more than the mouse.. Anyway, wow, you make guidemaker's proud

11/10 ... perfect

ZOMG. This guide is OWNING.

Very good job Amplirage. Keep up the good work.

This is pure quality. Well done Amplirage. I might actually try this guy out now :3

Dude, awesome guide! 100/10

today i playedhim as my hero and it's just hard to master...i think i would benefits from your guide though

very nice, long and informative..

lol nice job!

Omg,what a thorough guide... GJ AMP!

The best guide for the best hero in DotA. Thx for calculations boss

Excellent guide, any rating lower than 9 is stupid. Love the pics, and the bullet form looks clean. Haven't read the whole guide though, maybe later. Few typos such as being "cautios" and "harrass."

10/10

nice...
veeerrrryyyy nice!
man, good job! XD
very nice explanations... luv it!

awesome!!! i never knew how much 1 ms was...now i will use sun strike much more often ;)

"So we can conclude from this that a 300ms hero moves 300ms per second."
lol

Holy shit.
And I thought I put great effort in my Invoker guide.
Guide of the month.
End of story.
So will you interview yourself?

Ladies and Gents , September's guide of the month!

Awesome strat amp!

Purely awesome!

Btw you made a mistake again on that guinsoo. It doesn't need a recipe scroll.

Yay I'm in the credits ^^ 10/10 rated

The best guide for the best hero in DotA. Thx for calculations boss

@drifterZ: Oh yea....I totally forgot to edit that part..on guinsoo..shh xD("Thanks to drifterZ for helping me realise two mistakes I made")

@moon: Uhmm...that is, if I win the GotM then yea...i'll have to interview myself..making me look like a madman

kick ass guide

one of the best ive seen so far
very detailed, super long, very informative

i think this will help a lot of people including myself

10/10

OMG!!!
Very Very Well Done Amplirage!!
1 of the Best Guide ever seen!
Keep up the Good Work!

damn. i just love reading amp's strategies. (yurnero strategy). and now, this. wahoooooooo!!!

nc.. so long strategy

You could always conscript one of us to interview you instead. The problem is that we're more likely to decline in order to watch your monologue ^^

omg, wat a long read, yet a good one! very impressive.

however, i m still not quite convinced about deso > skadi, even on a battlemage, but well, thats me.

10/10

Zowee!!! Amazing guide dude... top of the class ...Only thing I would suggest is to make the intro a little shorter .
The tavern pictures are not really needed and there is a little more redundant stuff lying around that I found too repetitive.

NEways 9 / 10 keepu up the good work.

wow, tlk about thorough, its looks pretty good, think im gona use tha balanced build in ai first, to try it out

IF you win the GotM?
Btw, when explaining sunstrike, there is a " SUn " before the spell title and not spell icon.
@ pixel calculation
I don't think I will be able to calculate everything in 0.5 seconds I have. You were right, instncts are better, after you have cast it a few times, you should get the hang of it.
I like Orchids more that Guinsoo's for getting more AS/DMG/
And your you got third comment, not second

well..yeah..moogle beat me to it =p Bleh, going to bed now, i'll answer any questions or queries on the morning..goodnight.

nic build. but i still prefer guinsoo ovr orchid mainly coz its so much fun to see a bara charge u from hs fountain and u just wait thre and as soon as his near u guinsoo and pwn him. hahahah. this once happened and i cried my way to laughter...

still, u made me want to try invoker again, i got a bit bored of him and now me gonna polay him w/o using ghst walk with guinsoo XD

sorry for the double post but there is no edit button.....

newayz 10/10 and for people wanting to pratice sun strike, frist pratice lina's light strike array. then u know for sure wether u hit ur opponent or not. after that anticipating becomes damned simple.

this is the 93rd post btw. i counted :D

@folechno...

if people are looking for an extenisve guide this is perfect. invoker is a complex hero needing a long explination.

if your put off then your not going to be playing this hero veyr well.

just amazing...

the only combo i can think of that you didnt mention is for ganking a single hero. meteor and cold snap. the damage from meteor does activate the mini stun from cold snap and can keep them from moving very much for 2-3 seconds.

Ok easily the best invoker guide. Probablly the best guide there is GOOD JOB

coooooooooooooool guide

i must be fast fingers

i reckon this invoker guide is better than the other one.

very detailed included lots of information, may not be for newbies.

10/10 good job good job

@Cyber bunny: That is plausible. However, it won't always be effective as meteor is easily avoidable without another disable to help.

im so interest..
this guide can teach me how to use invokers..
well done..!!

Meteor and Coldsnap isn't very effective from the sound of it - the thing with Meteor is that you WANT them to move and eat more Meteor damage. And 2-3 seconds of immobility isn't worth losing the potential damage.

hey dude, you could get invoke at level 2 now!
and even when Invoker was back at 6.49, he can have invoke at level 5!
but, still, nice stat.
But EoS is better than Deso man, considering a mirror image of Kael.
If they fight one on one and the other has Desolator , and one has Skadi, the one with Skadi winss.
Think about it.
8/10

you'll need a new math(new alacrity), will do it by the end of SPM trial

fucking shit, i got submitted to the national service, my relative just died, and its been a hell of 2 months for me, prolly quit DoTA by nov, with half of 50%< completed guides will not be realised

tiny and zues guide ready, need fraps

QUALE OR ANY1 HELP ME DO IT

@CFX: Ohh maaan..not the NS! xD

@Max: Your reasonings are very weak. Firstly, invoke at level 2 is a DUMB thing to do. What are you gonna invoke? Some lousy invoke that only gives you so little bonuses you don't even notice? Its best make them more powerful first by upping quas wex and exort.

As for Deso and Skadi..what it the world are you talking about? Deso kael vs skadi kael just hits..deso kael wins. Why? Deso is a DPS item..lame reasoning you have there, i would've bought it if you

said it gives more survivability or mana to spam your invokes.

Dude you got no life! hahahaha.

Great strat though!

11/10

f*ckin' omg awsome!!!

Wow this guide really helps me loads. I love it 10/10.
@CF[X]: wow i feel sorry for you. the NS stinks and you're taking SPM by this year too. Tough luck.

@ cf(x)
i created a zeus guide, submitted, approved already, and now pending for publish. but ok. you need images? what kind?

no replay... so i give 9/10

thanks in advance to quale

i need 2 fraps for tiny,
1#tiny using toss on an enemy
2#tiny chases a full hp hero, and initiates a perfect avalanche+toss combo when the hero is alone

for zues i need:
1#zues executing a really nice kill
2#zeus farming with arc lightning and harassing with it usiong 1 shot of arc

and you got a zeus guide approved, nice thing thats my brother's guide(he perhaps wont submit it if yours is better)

and yes, the PLKN-NS sucks, but theres nothing i can do

whoaaaa is so mathematics
excelent!!!!

good strategy guide. It really help me. But invoker can learn invoke at level 2 now. So, should i pump the same skill or what. I think that this guide is better than the other invoker guide.
Overall i would give it 10/10. Good job!

WOW

nice strategy

excellent

I don't like Invoker that much but this guide is...A W E S O M E and even that is an understatement.
11/10.

hmmmm. Seems I might be real first critic. So, here, we, GO. It seems 2 me like u heavily underestimate forge spirits. These are great for farming pushing, and hero killing. If u get these, u can get EOS and have enemy lose massive armour. Plus u can get 2 with quas and exort at lvl 4, so I go quas not wex but ur chioce. I also don't get invoke lvl 2 (seriously, what will u cast) but I get invoke lvl 3 after 1 E and W for meteor. I use this once 2 harras. It can take a third of his bar. Continued

after harrasing, I got E Q E Q and invoke when possible. The E and W early I use smartly... And cast alacraty on my self. With a Sobi, u regen just as fast as losing mana cause it cost 50 mana!!! U also don't seem 2 use ghost walk as well as u could. This is a great escape skill and an awsome slower. With wex on, u can catch any hero. And late game I usualy keep wex on all the time unless changing skills. The bonus MS is great and atk spd is even better. Ur like a missle late game with bot. cont

and now 2 ur items. Wtf. No way invoked could farm all that. Plz make some type of reasonable item build. Dream items r nice but not useful. Just make some kind of note. Now onto good things. Overall, good. Kinda outdated but u will fix it. 2 builds is great as u said, invoker is verstile. Ur item PATH is good, but needs cutoff, exept for dps build. Dps is not the way 2 go, IMO. He could, but there's a better way, like pusher. FS plus CM = push. Good guide, want updated but keep writing.thats all

seriously~
best guide ever

Why not get both deso and skadi when skadi isn't an orb effect for ranged?

@choy: They are both buff placers..

sweet shit mann...best guide i've seen

this guide does not deserve a perfect score,,,,


it should be rated like 15/10 or something,,,


very nice guide, but do you think it is reasonable to get invoke at level 2?


since at that level,, he only have have either quas, wex or exort, not enough to invoke skills like eew etc.

dude ur awesome!!

OMG!!
Nice GUIDE!!!

I give U
50/50

i have never seen a better guide

Now this is what you call a GUIDE.

Daymm! So GOOD.

this is a very extensive piece of guide! good job on all the small little details, 10/10

keep up the good work! i'm sure many players appreciate your effort in doing this as well!

@ Counter_Force[X]

ack, i have that kind of images (for zeus) on my guide already. but ok, will get another one and PM it on you.

regarding the tiny images. your #1 requirement is just a simple toss image? probably an enemy hero tossed to his creeps. #2, should the enemy hero die to the avalanche-toss combo?

give me a week, or two.

imba.....

noob

awesome job and nice combos too. This one is better than ur first guide on yunero. noboubt 10/10 on this guide and on ur hardwork. Could u make a guide on magnus as well like this??????

Man youre sick, sick in a good way :D Awesome guide anyway. Tbh is didn't read every line, a bit too much for me, but imagine nooobs reading this guide? They will play dota better than me, and play Invoker better for sure! 11/10

Really.... really nice guide. I don't know if I agree one hundred percent with you on some parts, but the quality of the guide is still fantastic. Very detailed with a great deal of effort put into it; it's a great contribution to this site. I was happy to see somebody finally made a guide for the new/changed invoker. Really good job!

Really.... really nice guide. I don't know if I agree one hundred percent with you on some parts, but the quality of the guide is still fantastic. Very detailed with a great deal of effort put into it; it's a great contribution to this site. I was happy to see somebody finally made a guide for the new/changed invoker. Really good job!

Really.... really nice guide. I don't know if I agree one hundred percent with you on some parts, but the quality of the guide is still fantastic. Very detailed with a great deal of effort put into it; it's a great contribution to this site. I was happy to see somebody finally made a guide for the new/changed invoker. Really good job!

Great guy. 10/10.
I have a question about SUN STRIKE though. There is something I dont understand. I have been testing it today against creep, to see the difference in damage at every level and even with E max out it seems like the damage is variable between 74-450. Is the description of the spell wrong or am I totally off? If someone can double check, but im pretty sure that the damage of the spell is not always the same evn with E max out... sometimes it doesnt even kill the weak creep :/
TY

EXELLENT GUIDE! 10/10
really detailed and easy to follow.
but i'd suggest to rush guinsuos and EoS because lets face it,invoker rally needs the stats that they provide.
OTHER THAN THAT SIMPLY OUTSTANDING.

wow really nice

@ kkkcccrrr = yes you are. Unless you can explain differently.

@ lemi_ Sunstrike damage is split among all targets it hits - so if you target max level Sunstrike and it hits two guys, it deals 225 to each. This is probably your issue.

large and good try love the way it is pictured now this makes invoker a asset for the team if you act like this
gj mate
except some things dont need to be like this of course every body has a way to use it

bwah very great!

I used this guide and I got a level 3 first blood,,,, double kill then everyone quit,,,, dis is a very nice guide,, definitely.

AMPLE YOU LIE!

i got second post ^_^

anwyay. hope your next guide is as good as this ^_^

this guy is nuts so much free time
but great!

wow....so imdepth
so....speechless
i read it all and its fantastic! bloody good work mate!
10/10

Hey amplirage. i ever think about invoker using lifesteal.
Is it possible??
and do u think it will be dominate?
thank you.

man!!! i have a favor... can you make a guide on phantom?

Good Job mate.
I respect you.

Thanks. =D

Hmm... And 10/10 =D

The items choices are not realistic.. 5 level 3/4 items.. any hero can own

@badegg: Exactly, I did that so that people at least KNOW what to buy and set a target. Plus, meteor can really farm very very well.

wow 1 word "WOW"

no doubt this will win the best guide for september! great job... i dno how 2 use invoker so imma try this guide for size

some other good combos u missed

ghost walk + radiance combo: gets everyone realy anoyyed and u can folo low hp heroes to slow them for ur alies.

cold snap plus forge spirits: summon ur spirits put on x3 wex and attack the cold snapped hero. a refresher orb also helps cold snap to last longer cause u cast it twice but after patch 6.54 i think u can only have 2 forged spirits at 1 time.

apart from that awesome invoker strategy easy and interesting to read, covered most builds 9.5/10

wow!
very nice strat, it answers all of my questions 'bout the invoker...
i'll give 10/10 for this...

Your guide inspires me to play invoker.
awesome work!

10/10.

The amount of time and patience you spent making this guide is the most impressive thing about it. Detailed guides are good guides heh... but DS should make a strategy book to sell (eye straining) You outlined every detail on every aspect about invoker, including CF[X] debate on MKB and Desolator, but I dint really get the point there. What I'm trying to say is, pity your mouse and keyboard. Don't write more strats. Publish a book or something xD

10/10

and now the barrage starts for real

to reiterate some previous comments, the intro is really long and the tavern location is unnecessary (if you keep it then I suggest you add a pic showing the heroes in that tavern and a circle around Kael or something like that)

you didn't say anything about the items in your primary item build (the one in the item section)

I wouldn't say that Invoker has a good early game, his base stats are decent but his stat gain is sub par and his move speed is really

slow, and you don't level up Wex much early game (and if you do people usually use Exort for the bonus damage and switching orbs while trying to run isn't that helpful) and you don't start out with boots so all the enemies will be able to move faster than you, which also helps in making yourself a target

you can now get invoke at lvl 2, 7, 12, and 17 should you get invoker at these levels or should you get more q/w/e before hand

also, you don't really explain how the orbs work, I like the

table that Moon_Raven made, really explains the orbs and shows how powerful the orbs can be

the 2 lvls of Quas "early game" are lvl 9-10, I personally would consider this mid game when Kael could go around and gank people with an arsenal of 3 spells, and at this point the regen would be helpful but only for recovering in between ganks, for lane staying power you should probably get quas a little earlier, possible replace an exort since you will still get a nice damage bonus from even 2-3 lvls

and having this nice regen from quas allows you to buy less regen in early game so you can get more stat boosting items, I'd suggest maybe 1 flask since 3 quas can give you the equivalent regen of a tango but permanently that only works when you need it, so the flask would be for when you need to regen hp quickly

does DB also silence? (for some reason I thought it did) is yes then you should include that in reasons why DB is a good disable

you don't need the "also" in lists for meteor's uses

the fact that it's a list implies that

the second ss about meteor is suspicious since it looks like you have already used meteor (I don't know any other spell that leaves a track like that) so I don't know how you could use it that quickly again without a refresher (which isn't in your item build), regardless the ss shows what it need to (even though there are no creeps behind him to block his escape)

the list after the second metoer ss has some questions in it, doesn't really fit the list

format, would suggest changing the format a little, possibly add those ? to the Q&A format you talked about in the GotM thread

using ice wall to stop fleeing and use the meteor requires a blink dagger so you can position yourself right (unless the enemy is right next to you)

no db ss? would be useful to show range and aoe

the first ss for ice wall is meh, I don't think the enemy would run out of their base, rather they'd run to the fountain

so you could block the entrance to your base, maybe

waiting for your next creep wave to spawn or let the tower get in a few extra hits before the enemy can start attacking it

maybe a ss about using ice wall to slow an opponent in the forest to allow an ally to finish off a fleeing opponent (it has good range so it could be possible)

also ice wall and cold snap is a good combo since the wall will deal dps and the snap will stun them so they stay in the wall a lot longer, good combo that holds them still for a long time

the triple wex info about

emp is out of place, suggest taking it out or adding that info to each of the other skills

extra bullet in emp section

mention that it's a good spell against low mana str heroes

mention map awareness and teamwork for using sun strike, you could kill that enemy that just barely got away from an ally and is running towards base

also can be used to push another lane besides the one you are in

that 25% is only 0.1 dps/gold, and you note that MKB gives him better dps, but you make cases for each

so at least the public is informed

where is the invoke button? (you might say press R after pressing EWE)

for first blood, casting the meteor in the right direction is also good since it could force them to run in a different direction or eat lots of dmg

you don't really justify your higher levels for either the battle build or the balanced build, are there certain orbs that should be maxed to cause certain spells to have a maximum effect or is it better to balance out the orbs?

in addition

to radiance, cold snap works well with all dps skills so poison strike or ignite (among lots of others) so you don't need radiance to trigger the stun all the time, Kael has only 2 dps skills Ice wall and meteor, the second of which can cause the stun to trigger if you cast it right, the wall synergy I have already covered above

you don't mention the radiance ghost walk combo in the ghost walk section (sorry if you mention it elsewhere)

mention that you don't need to cast tornado on the hero

it has a really long range so you just need to target in that direction and you can catch up to a hero, some ss would be useful here, as well as a example of the long distance it travels and the actual aoe (in a pic)

tornado could also be used to delay a creep wave/hero so that you can your creeps can take down a tower/building

for info on the forge spirits, say that they can have up to 900 range, 900 hp etc. their stats depend on the levels of q/w/e

useful for pushing as well and for

taking down towers as you mention, does the -armor from the attack effect buildings or just units?

what level of exort do you need to have the spirits attack a tower without getting hit?

don't mention the backdooring with alacrity but emphasize that it can help take down towers

alacrity doesn't give damage, so are those numbers from exort, cause if so then they are wrong, and if they are the increase in dps, then you should say something to that effect

mjollnir doesn't place a buff, do you

mean orb of choice? (in the choose your item build pic)

can you put the item builds next to each other horizontally, would make comparing them easier, if not then whatever

battlemage kael can't orbwalk either, what do you mean by this?

i would mention about the number of hp regen items you should get, since the balanced kael gets quas earlier so he can have good regen in early game so he doesn't really need much regen, maybe a flask for some quick regen after a failed gank on you

are the

lane scenarios different for battlemage and balanced kael? (you could just say view above and take out some extra text)

so I have to go now, but fear not I will be back to comment some more

and if it wasn't obvious, these comments are in reading order so if you cover something later you can just skip that comment

Im back with more comments in an effort to create the longest posting spree in the world

so, that first early game build, it seems more like a late game build, but maybe that's just, 10K seems a little too much for early game (unless you defined early game to be up until lvl 15)

and you need to define what early/mid/late game are

and invoke lvl 2 is at lvl 7, not 11 like most heroes

at lvl 2 invoke, you can invoke a third spells after you use both your icons so you should mention something

about comboing with 3 spells (definitely mention this late game)

when you mention the db meteor combo, show the ss, or at least mention that you have an example in the late game/conclusion section where ever it is

same for the other combos

you don't need radiance for the frostbite combo, but is has great synergy with cold snap

"ou can even let your opponents run away and feel safe before unleashing this at them"
no, they juke, you miss a kill (unless its an inhouse then go for it)

for guinsoo vs orchid, orchid for battlemage, guinsoo for balanced/support

guinsoo doesn't have a recipe, need to change that

if you go bloodstone, mention that it should be rushed since you will be getting kills in mid game

the hp regen is kinda irrelevant since kael can get 20+ with his quas

the amount of additional damage that the corruption buff will cause depends on the amount of armor that the target has

skadi pieces can be picked up in the field, the hammer can only be picked up in

the fountain (afaik, could be wrong)

"certain ammount of people"
amount, one m

combine the 2 combo sections into just 1

view above comment about needing a dagger to use the ice wall meteor combe effectively

Troll doesn't need the as from alacrity, although another dps hero could use it

again with crazy item builds, it looks more like end game than mid game (unless this is em in which case you should mention that and how it would change for regular mode)

who do you target? you use 3 aoe

spells and attack whoever is left

lol at keyboards with hotkeys, just lol, also highlight the hotkey for the spell (you need that to cast the spell, duh)

after the nerf to the cooldown of meteor, I wouldn't suggest using it to kill a creep wave, since it is part of quite a few combos

again, builds are too costly for mid game

and I will stop here, at the start of late game, I will continue my comments tomorrow (Orochi, if you break this combo....)

more to come

Eh. I'm not Orochi... 18? EIGHTEEN COMMENTS? Simply wow. You should, instead of doing this, send them (whoever you're 'barraging') an enormous private message.

nice one ^^ quite impressive..

Heyhey...
How many years you've spend finishing this -BLEEP- strategy?? (GREAT STRATEGY I MEAN) It's really good, gotta try him out... Im flying combo
haha funny.... Im really impressed... Other then writing a story, you could also write a strategy!!
10/10

@Shimrra_3 no, you're not orochi so that's fine, as to your comment, I already did (for an earlier version) but I figured that a GotM deserved a "folechno review" so here I am (and I would be barraging Amp since he is the guide maker [and almost nobody reads all the comments anyway]) also I need the gold

so now to more comments

ganking is different from killing how?

random centering of text, is it supposed to be there?

showing the distance of 14.4 would be useful, since most

heroes will have a ms close to that number so the example will hold for most heroes

for exort vs wex, wex also gives you ms so you can chase a bit longer than if you had exort

push evenly from all sides? it depends since your team is stronger as a whole than broken up, and if you can take down a rax one one side, it is probably better than the tower on all 3 sides, not particularly important as long as you successfully rax but saying definitively that one way is better probably isn't good

"sun strike can hit even in teh fog" was teh intentional?

for forge spirits, mention that their attacks reduce armor, which can be a big help, especially in those final pushes

the mvp of the team should get the aegis, and if the enemy is smart the hero with the aegis will probably get targeted with all the disables, something that an aoe disable like Kael wouldn't want to happen to him, rather a dps/carry hero should get it and you can disable/aoe rape them and make sure that the dps/carry

hero survives, also you have invis (Ghost Walk)

"So the only difference is that we push like mad now and end the game here or before we even reach late game." ironic that it's in the late game section, but w/e

are you sure of that aoe for emp? it looks huge

in addition to your 4 spell combos, mention some 3 spell combos, since you can have 2 in icons and can quickly invoke the next one, just a thought, your combo section is good

"learnt" learned

for enemies? what about mana burners? no mana

means no combo

is gondar a dps harasser? seems more like a nuker imo

another group of heroes are people with multiple disables, like ES, Rhasta, Lion, etc if he can't do anything then he can't do anything and his health isn't high enough to survive much beating

luci should probably be under dps, maybe also nukers since he can spam lvl death early game

have aoe disablers as their own group of allies since they can set up any of the aoe combos that battle mage kael has

does battle kael care

about silencers/magic immunity/resistance? what about 1v1 heroes?

only 10 hours? wow you work fast (probably took me at least 2 each time to review this guide)

"Some of the changes suggested will be implemented when I have time." like I said before, you need to get on it (and now you have a few more to work with)

great guide, I personally think that the awe comes from the length of the guide

having read the entire thing, I think that you need to cover more about how to play kael, mention a

few more combos (at least 3 spell combos)

you could also mention some other kael builds in the conclusion section, I know of a summon build that maxes spirits asap and gets Necro book, works pretty well, maybe a support/cast build (not a balanced build) that would get Mekanism, Euls, Guinsoo, Shivas etc and get supporting spells like alacrity, is it possible to make a tank build? what about the infamous radiance ghost walk build? there are almost infinite possibilities so maybe you could just

cover some big ones

again, nice guide, congrats on GotM, you earned it


currently a 9/10 but definitely a 10/10 after an update (to which I'm looking forward to)

Very similar to the build I've been using since Invoker came out.

Except I don't ever use meteor and only get 1 point quas.

Sunstrike early game for kills to help your income, then as as soon as you have 5 e 5 w 1 q, go Ghostwalk/Alacrity with a stygian and watch the other team crumble.

thanks for the info about Radiene activating Cold Snap's ministun. GG guide bro keep it up 17/10

you have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands 10

wow fole on your spree. simply wow.

best guide on the site so far yet

Great Strategies o my good best of

thanks for a wonderful kael strat

@Folechno: Wow...now that's the kind of comments and suggestions that really help..As for the Huge aoe of EMP in the second pic, I just wanted to show that it could hit those creeps, not that it was that huge. The aoe is as big as the one if the first screenie.

As for the typos..all i can say is.. =p.

The extensive item builds are just to set goals for the players, not exactly realistic but as an aim. Aim big to acheive high.

I don't get invoke that early as it isn't as strong..

@ Folechno

u wrote a whole strategy in 18 comments! hehehe... i c ur point and they should really be pointed out... but come on... this is invoker we're talking about... this strategy is long enough as it is...

When i first looked at this i was like O_O
Are you my clone? do we have same thoughts? Then I read the balance Invoker. Not only do i award you a 10/10, but I tip my hat to you sir!
Strategy Effectiveness: 4/4
Guide format:3/3
Clear cut ideas: 2/2
Kept me interested? 1/1

Once again, I tip my hat to you sir! and i hope to see more of your works soon.

impressive great guide!

hard

photobucket rape D:

Lol, I agree with above... not you too Amp! Nooo! imageshack > photobucket!

This strat was annoyingly redundant IMO. It seems like you could have just submitted 2 guides.

Anyways, the two times I have played invoker i just went exort and quas and the only spell I basically ever used was forge spirits. And I owned. It might have had something to do with my opponents, but the forge spirits are pretty imba. Plus a desolater, and it was gg.

whats up with all the photobucket pictures?

Oh great....this socks..

Imma have to use imageshack to upload the pics..

BRAVO BRAVO !!!!!!!!! - excellent guide i must say so - u must be given a pat on the back not only for ur patience - but also for portraying INVOKER [of all pple] in a very detailed manner - and different skill builds and item builds [loads - woah !!!] - kudos - would recommend it to ne wannabe invoker player i meet [ partly coz the orchid, deso, guinsoo was the first idea that came to my mind after seeing invoker first time - but i also thot skadi lol for more stats gain.] - keep it up bro

It seems this hero can handle any other dota hero pretty well. Only con would be: very difficult hero to use, but I'm impressed with the information and explanation of this guide. Make another guide please dude!

Great!!! Thanks for this guide, i really use your first build... but the computations give me idea to use your battlemage... a must read guide!!!1

niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeee strategy. really good. should consider taking it to contests.
lol. if u're on for another strtegy... can u make one for Moghul Khan?

good strategy but the hot keys confuse me but anyway cool strategy man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes me wanna scream and dstroy the people that have destroyed me inthe last DOTA game anyway men could you make a strategy for balanar for me?

CHEMIMARE
GET A LIFE

i think that at the frostbite combo there should be better if u max wex and have 3 wexes because it will deal more damage (30 extra damage for each hit)

best guide ever
i can play invoker now
ty ! 10/10

best guide ever
i can play invoker now
ty ! 10/10

omg this is ****ing crazy and TOTALLY AWESOME!!
i would love to be in a game with you on the same team :D

@leshrach: No..I think you are confusing wex for exort. Exort gives the damage. Wex isn't needed as alacrity already gives you extra speed. With the speed, additional damage from alacrity and additional damage from exort..that hurts.

@the rest: Thanks

Seriously one of the best guides i've seen in here. Nice job.

btw what about longer combo, 3-5 skills.
meteor+defeanin blast+guinso/orchid then fast invoke
tornado or emp blast(i prefer tornado) and if your victim survives u can target him with sun strike whenever ur ulti cd is over from tornado invoke.
I know it's difficult with the sun strike after a long invoke cd to get your target but i've been doing it and it works pretty well just need to practice.

wow! u rox dude!

best guide ever. but dont you think if you could play kael that good , its kinda cheep? i mean he has a milion spells

very well made strategy!! and very useful too nice job!!

He's not cheap at all, in fact, the trade off for his arsenal of spells is that there are so many it's easy to get mixed up. And he's especially hard to master.

nice strategies! tnx!

yup introduction is so great !
When i read all this i thought that the invokeer is unsstopable if u HAVE fast fingers :D i love this character :p

This is vonderfull!!!!!
i am now going to trie it

No one should use invoker cuz it gets u so pissed off when u even try it cuz everyone calls u newb and its too hard u cant use click fast neough and it shouldnt take more than 2 days to master one single hero int his case it prob take a whole year or so to master this crap and invoker doesnt even damage that well and the need for speed of the fucking clicking is way too high and u have tow ait for them to get in the position u want and by the time they do ur dead thats all i have to say

also ur dam skill build blows ur cant use deafining blast till lv 9 ?? thats just stupid also invoke has been able to use in lv 2 so yea change it

nvm its pretty good

kael is hard to use. after readin this guide he still hard to use for me. i need to practice this.

Look dude, if you just got your butt kicked by some pro using invoker, just admit it and don't come whining here. If u used invoker and got your butt kicked by some other heroes then you didn't read my guide. 2 Days to learn a single hero? Are you mad? How long have you been playing? A week? Pfft.

Level 2 invoke?
If you're a little kid and someone gives you viagra what are you gonna use it for? Same thing.

great guide man congrats!!! it is evident that you worked your butt on this definately 10/10 on this.... can wait to OWN my friends using this guide!! keep up da good work

if you're a little kid and someone gave you viagra, sell it.

Lol you should make guides for a living!

nörd

lol u obviously dont know what correcting myself means i said it was ok after i looked at it a little more jeez dont get butthurt

ok u know what nvm i admit i did get owned using invoker and shouldnt wine here and this is great guide

GREAT GUIDE!!!!!

zomg..
one of THE best guides i've read so far
helped me out so much lols

gotta give props to you man for sitting down and taking the time to write it
thanks!

Bravo, magnifico...
Your guide is cool.
This is not about the length,
but the consideration of playgame...

But could u give a suggestion on using the invoker to fight against jah'rakal

Omg, best invoker guide out there. It's complexity just makes me want to kiss Invoker's feet! (Does he wear shoes?!)

10/10!

Vry nice i giv 3 thumbs up^^

Simply amazing keep it up ! 9/10 because i want to see some videos and the synergy invoker has with other heroes. Btw i found it one of the most enlightening guides here congrats !

damn man...ur guide is damn sexy yor...
I liked it!!! Creditx to ya!!

lovely one 11/10
lol

K.O.
U win..... PERFECT!!!

this rocks!!!

invoker is easy to beat using yurnero because of omnislash and the spining thing!

invoker is easy to beat using yurnero because of omnislash and the spining thing!

It's an OK guide but lacks depth and detailed explanations...
You should add more build options and math equations!

Ah ! Really dominating, Amplirage. Till before u suggested this strageties I found a lot of difficulties in acing Kael , the invoker. Nonetheless , with your magnificient help , I think I see my guiding star.Wish you still get the killing spree !!! Thanks , man.

By far the best Invoker guide that is out there. Keep up the good work!

mynd: Not detailed enough for you? Hmm..

Next guide might either be Balanar or Admiral proudmoore once he's balanced out a bit by the ice froggy.

Read Ampli: SARCASM.I guess im just bitter cuz my fingers aren't fast enough to play invoker properly and i get flusstered so when i tried it, i got owned big time. Props on the guide tho