Krommic's Guide to playing a Worthy Weaver

Overall, a short, but concise guide on the weaver. All it needs is tips on watcher usage, and delve in a bit more on battle tactics, and it's complete.

Good job.nice strat but i have used manta on him to stay alive with images

Nice guide. Although I have to ask, why did you not max out Geminate Attack early? Doesn't it help a bit in harrassing and last-hitting?

Manta, that may be a good item after Radiance to increase survivability if heroes actually want to stay and fight you. I'll try it, sounds promising. I actually oddly enough seem to waste a lot of geminate attacks if I try to last hit with it, unless you want to continuously count in your head, you'll miss hits by watching the cooldown timer go around AND you have to start your attack sooner which just causes more confusion. Also the key to harassing early is through Shukuchi, reducing 7 seconds to 4 while nice on Geminate attack while sounds nice, is just sacrificing too much stats wise. You'll basically have to make sure you attack for over 4 seconds to get that second proc of Geminate in, which is rather risky due to having less HP. Let me add more on tactics, that is a good point quickbrownfox.

good guide but worst enemies(stunners) as u said will kill u before u think to use shukushi

Great guide, very detailed and descriptive. Unfortunately, I just don't have a taste for the weaver, but for anyone else that does, this guide is the way to go. Only thing I would change is late game items - this guy being an AGI hero, gotta get the Butterfly...but items are so subjective...

Problem with getting Butterfly is you already have minor evasion from Radiance. And yes, items are very subjective, I'll always go for a Butterfly regardless if someone is foolishly going for bashers. Problem is only so much gold to farm and so much time to farm it in.

I honestly wish IceFrog would try to balance heroes more. I mean first of all, there is too much of a difference in stat gain. Typically heroes with low stat gains are weaker heroes. Weaver should have ~3 agility per level, 2.5 isn't enough. Also I would have the weaver start with 2 more strength. Such a simple fix, honestly.

Sorry for the late errors in the guide, including lacking an end quote, and typoing the second rune as ruin.

i agree with u very much that nw needs some nerf especialy the strength and the gaining strength per level and maybe some buff to attack range

i agree with u very much that nw needs some nerf especialy the strength and the gaining strength per level and maybe some buff to attack range

Better than the other guide

i think manta is an orb effect?? it will not stack with germinate attack since it was an orb effect...nice strat though...i like the harassing strat..!

nice strat i tried this on battlenet... while others were lv 14-16, i was lv 19!!! OWNAGE!!! at last they were trashed btw, y not add an mkb inside???

hmm..nice strategy...
but ,if ur enemy is a hard nuker, or having an areal damage like lina inverse or krobelus, it's hard to farm until having a relic ...how is it going to be?

juventusxxx:
1 on 1 verse a nuker shouldn't be much of a problem. That is if you go straight out toe to toe, grab a few extra tangos if you need to, and just harass her until you win.
With 3 Wraith Bands and 3 stat points she shouldn't be able to instant kill you. Time Lapse is key, eat a tango before hand if that isn't enough. If you are getting out played and she is 6 before you, then you did something wrong. Call for a gank if you need to, but 1 on 1 shouldn't honestly be necessary.

Practice, get more tangos if needed early, buy TPs to TP back if you are forced to go to the fountain to heal.

The true weakess is disables, if you can't get off Time Lapse when you need to, you will day, no way around that (BKB?).

DeathDota: if you want to get a MKB that's up to you, but unless you get it first(foolishly before Radiance), I'd recommend a Burize over it.
Aegis/Rapier is just a lot stronger Gold/Per Damage wise with the added defense benefit.

The only reason he is not a CAL hero is, because you Bone Fletecher is much more superior in League Mode. If you have Bones and Weaver in the same team for league mode it is bad, because they won't both won't be able to carry the team, hence most players using intell in league mode.

WoW, Nice buffs came in .39, I'm going to try a few different skill builds, but so far from my few games as weaver I still recommend getting at least stats level 2 early(stats at levels 3 and 4). Shukuchi's upgrade may have made it more tempting early, and I agree the 90/100/110/120 is actually noticeable and worth it to have, but stats are still needed. I still stand by buying tangos to hold you over until Sacred relic and just staying in your lane/controlling it.

Hey nice build i agree what you mean about shukuchi and i think this guide influenced the change to it in the new version nice job =]

Hey nice build i agree what you mean about shukuchi and i think this guide influenced the change to it in the new version nice job =]

NOOOB the skill build sucks shit man plz dont do any more strategis....u will make all dota player´s 2 noobs.....

ahm bro wen i use weaver i use mekans so it has its regen and armor and when its critical i use mekans so... try mekans

hehehehe! can u add the worst enemies Tiny also!! avalanche and toss ur dedz!!
in some way!! yapp!! stunner is anub'seran worse enemies! if your using anub'seran try to read the move of your enemy for example enchantress when using impetus she will stop then the skill then try to use sakuchi! it will miss! perfect timing thats the key of winning anub'seran! aihihihi! and also used buriza do kyanon, 2 vanguard, and radiance! why dont you try hyperstone! ^_^ aihihihi!

@munken_micke
You have NO strategies. If you think its so NOOB make one urself u tool. Atleast back your disagreement up with intelligent points rather than just screaming NOOB and YOU SUCK coz really, in the end ppl read that and just think wot a fag

nice guide the life of this hero is a problem when y play with him.

putting one basher then butterfly is also effective for permabash..due to germinate,bashing chances increase....

p.s. nice strat..10/10....your ok by me dude!

i think you have to add mkb.. or monkey king bar

quickbrownfox - if this is a short guide, I'd hate to see a long one...

Ey guys, will Manta stack with germinate attack? both is orb effect :/

weird.... get damage iteams and get shuichi and germinate attack good more early game farming ..heres by iteam build
threads
buritza
butterfly
radiance
rapier
aegis/heart

anyways 8/10 ^^

noob

nice post

@Greedygood: I believe it received some extras some time after my post, making it, well, not very short. hehe. This guide reminds me that I have to test out radiance for him, hehe.

can you make the you guide shorter its hard to read it

its hard 2 use it
but practice makes d man perfect.
try it man

nice guide. i've built EoS and sad about it because only the 2nd attack from germinate has slow :(

nothing....

Add spiritbreaker to worst ennemies...
CoD = Stun
NS = Stun
+ more stun if he goes for cranium bashers.

BORING GUIDE

actually i think it's a fine guide. instead of criticizing, why dont you write your own damn guide ? sheesh...

wow thx

try getting vanguard first then treads and buriza it makes life so much easier

try getting vanguard first then treads and buriza it makes life so much easier

i think this is a great strat
unfortunately the aegis and rapier build cant be accomplished anymore =/
i think the wraith bands are a little overdone i think 2 bracers should be enough or 2 wraith bands. The only problem is his health but u can spam his shukuchi all game. Besides that all you have to do is stay alive and spam damage on this hero(buriza, radiance, bfly)

dota sux la

dota sux la

i usually get buriza that rocks

good strategy, skadi and taras very useful to increase his hp. when i use anub i always but, p thread and vanguard (early game)in the middle i get radiance. and late game 2 taras and mkb. anub is a great killer. but he's a loser when fight anub'arak (his mana burn make anub'seran can get time lapse ans shukuchi)

nice guide, but why not get bracers or vanguard at start since weaver is low on hp most heroes will target you especially nukers

I agree with exd5050

i like this guide a lot, all it needs is maybe some screenshots and its a 10 out of 10

are watchers can see those enemy wards?

good strat, 8/10
i suggest change the skaadi with desolator, with that, u can deal more damage..also 2 craniums... LOL... just kidding on the cranium...

Is Buriz allowed in playing weaver??

Only radiance? What about other items like buriza or monkey? And shouldnt be the wraiths be sold late in the game?

Nice Guide.

I used Hood of Defiance instead of vanguard. Gondar is the worst enemy of weaver. Butterfly cancels the geminate attack I don't know why. I just observed it when I random picked weaver and built butterfly. But it's fine coz butterfly gives you speedy attack. Buryza rocks with weaver. When geminate attack is triggered, 2 shots have crits and that hurts!! Add Assault Curias too.

no orbs cancel his orb. it overrides. when its in cooldown, orbs work. if u wanna make a hybrid, just dont lvl 4 germinate - that way it will be on cooldown longer, therefore during cooldown when u attack u can benefit from other orbs (corruption -6 armor) etc.

radiance is hard to farm for...just go treads, bfly, mkb, buriza, curiass, gg before u know it!
skip watchers if u wanna be pure killer, press c all the time to get around. 522 movespeed every 4/7 seconds is godly.

Personally I reccommend having build like:
2 x Bracers ,Ring of Health,Butterfly,Burizado
,Power Treads/BoT,
Complete Perseverance >>>Linken's sphere
sell both bracers and get radiance instead.
Finall build shud be:
Butterfly,Mkb,Burizado,Linken's,Radiance,
Boots.....
P.S :Keep running all the time and never take damage over time of 5 secs;

sad they made degraded watcher from 8 to 4

all this speed is useless... why get a bfly when your getting 2 mkbs and a hyperstone? idiot. radiance, bfly, buriza, mkbs on a weaver is the norm.

good quide,eye of skady doesn't work on this hero because u get the frost bite very rare

NO N ONo for skadi..

U own man, used ur strat and i OWN! I can kill any1 with radiance+eye of skadi xD No really, i am. Really grateful about ur guide, very noob-friendly (me like :D) and
keep up the good work! =P

i love weaver! I played a game once and i think there was a bug. I could shukuchi out of eul's scepter and furions trees! Buriza is my item of choice aswell, you own so badly with it.

dude this guide is really good and n00b friendly
I was playing online and my teammates were Lina, Ogre Magi, Luna, and Nerubian Assasin; and even though Luna left at level 2, Nerubian at level 10, and ogre at 15, me and Luna (provided we were using our left allies abilities) were holding our own vs Lion, Sniper, Morphling, Razor, and Death Prophet. I was killing Morphling alot (creeps kept taking the kill =( 'cuz he didn't understand Shukuchi, the only char I had problem with was Lion 'cuz of his stun, the rest since I farmed and denied very well I had my items early, although, we still lost 'cuz they just pushed and took out our throne, but in char battles lina nuked and I shukiched every1 and just attacked a bit and we killed them all.

I think linkens is very key, because all of my deaths were when they stunned me with impale and the such.


10/10 very good guide did you make any others for other characters? I wouldn't mind reading those too 8)

great strat, i just went 10-0 with this guy, finished at lvl 20, didnt even get past radiance.
Very good strat for a very good hero

good strat...i was just play, i got wicked sick but i died a few times....furion is too good

9/10

good strat...i was just play, i got wicked sick but i died a few times....furion is too good

9/10

I'm not an übar pro, but I could hear the HOLY SHIT! Thanks for the guide :).

I randomed Weaver in a game and completely owned beyond godlike! But my build was completely different from this LOL! I bought S&Y MKB and Assault cuirias! Well, with 11/0 I was doing pretty good so I had the gold to do so, normally uber-expensive items. But you should try the S&Y with hyperstone build. Boosts attack speed and the germinate attack comes a lot sooner!

played THE longest game of dota ive ever played with weaver. ended up with 2 bflies, cuirass, burize, treads, and radiance.

i was killing everyone in like 2 seconds.

only problem was they had a techies who was annoying as fuck and knew how to play well, so prolonged the game forever.

THIS HERO FUCKING OWNS.
pubs, or scrims, simply domination

@ m3rcuryd3ath- 2 butterflies... hmmm wierd...and why .. evade doesnt stack ...
@ guide - good one. pretty much wat u would make but buriza is a must for this hero. i dont prefer eos thgh 9/10

well somoene left and had one, so I just used it, with lack of time to build someothing better

Good strategy, but a small tip on harrasing, once level 2 you can make extremely effective blows by attacking once (making sure geminate is cooled down) and then shukuchi right away into the enemy. this will mean that the 2nd attack from geminate will come out while you are shukuchi'd. I find this to be the most effective way of harrasing because they take 2 times your attack dmg + 90 from shukuchi, and they rarely get a chance to hit you back aswell.

also a tip on shukuchi--- shukuchi can be used to dodge ranged projectiles and spells if cast while the projectile is in the air going towards you. It can dodge storm bolt, and preven the stun, shadow strike, magic missile etc... and it also can make it really easy to handle opponents who harrass with high dmg range attacks such as enchantress, clinkz, and silencer

Merlinious = MYM]Merlini?? if you are I worship you !!!!

yea..


its very great comments

hahha

This Hero is both built for the run and built for the kill...

#1 i wouldnt go this route. best build for insane owaneg is :

RoB->tangoes->Wraith->Boots->2xwraith->treads->burize->bfly->skadi->MKB

a worst enemy to add is SILENCER, if ur silenced u cant escape, u cant chase, u cant time lapse, etc, worthless.

i hate him

i got 15-0 on this hero all the time so easy to dominate pros/noobs alike. they dont give weaver the credit he deserves, and underestimate his trenghts.

Great guide! I'll try to use nerubian weaver from now on but I should try him first then practice and practice then come back here and fight with your friends and harass them. Thanks to the guide its nice!

Butterfly,Burizado,Radiance
HeartofTarrasque,PowerTreads,Linken's

He's again a team killer so beware of tanks.
Always keep ur finger on 4 sukuchi
.Speed reqd.
Only one lvl 1 of Watcher's to scout river and shops.
Go ony 4 stats up to get kill.
Get Midas if u want to...
Chase and Lapse and finish

krommic,
i like your guide for weaver.
thanks a lot...

Must say though this was a great guide, i just owned 2 guys in dota.. thanks man!

i want to see new build of nerubian weaver
and more items

not bad^^

i prefer to use to use a buriza,radiance,divine,hot,power treads,butterfly

one question, is this hero a hero killer? or supporting? kindda difficult using this hero..

NICE STRAT

Nice guide, but i use Buriza in these hero n i obtain 500 crit n with Geminate attk y get 1k damg per crit. So, i think its a good choice to this imba hero.

yeah i agree with your build but i intend to use two(2) buriza's instead of a heart of tarrasque, try that one and you will never feel the 4k life of your opponent even if its pudge for example has already a 6k hp it is easily to kill him just use your shukuchi the germinate attack makes the buriza work..

GJ on that 8/10 although i would not get a skhadi with him, id much rather dmg items, the way i play him is kill asap and shukuchi away..... and id like to add that you dont need a slow.... shukuchi can catch up with ease... use shukuchi to your advantage

Just wondering how geminate attack works. For example can you get crits on the 2nd attack?

Ok guide, but what about burize or bfly or something like that. I mean if you max ot gemini and go burize with some attckspeed like yasha and your criticals shoot up really high

my item build for weaver:

power treads
MKB
Butterfly
3 Hyperstones

^_^

my item build for weaver:

power treads
MKB
Butterfly
3 Hyperstones

^_^

dont understand why divine

can i buy MKB?

conclusion of items????

OK

well... It seems you know what you're doing. I gotta say this isnt the type of guide for people new to weaver. Some don't even know what time lapse does But you definitely need to be a tad bit more detailed on how to use weaver's skills like watcher. Weaver is probably one of the hardest heroes to use and shouldnt be used by noobies. You've got a great guide going there anyway. 9/10

no butterfly and buriza?

i don't like radiance and other items that have auras. because your enemy will know you were there..

MKB?

You can get Skadi because Weaver is ranged so Skadi isn't an orb. Radiance will revela your area but is you use Shukuchi then they can't attack you but are damaging them and recharging germinate. Also radiance helps with farming because radiance + Shukuchi can kill a lot of creeps really fast.

You can get bracers early game instead of wraith bands because they increase you health which is a weakness.

You probably don't want to get divine unless you have aegis. If you game is going that long that you have all lvl 4 items then either your opponents suck or you suck or both.

I don't think Butterfly messes up your attack. It is a good item to get. Radiance first though.

Manta style is an orb so it messes with germinate. So is desolator.

good strat 10/10

I wonder why not maxin out germinate attack? good last hittin and harassin
and the Sukuchi should be at lvl coz 10+ damage per lvl 522 speed and 4 sec lastin time at all lvls.

wonder why not maxin out germinate attack? good last hittin and harassin
and the Sukuchi should be kept at lvl 1 coz 10+ damage per lvl 522 speed and 4 sec lastin time at all lvls.
Sorry for doublepostin--

why eye of skady? germinate attack is orb effect...

I've used Weaver About 3 times over the last 2 days and got WICKED SICK Everytime,

1. Power treads
2. Monkey kingbar
3. butterfly
4. buriza
5. butterfly
6. Assualt Curiass (only ever got the Hyperstone) or Divine rapier (cause the enemy dropped it when i killed him)

You may wan't to grab a wraith band in between pt's and MKB, but there is a shop just of top and bottom lane that has javelin in it and you don';t have to leave lane, could change a butterfly to Radiance.

please make a guide with screen shots

This guide is exactly pinpointed at -apem games. Not -ap games. Ap games would not let you get radiance that earlier, nor will people not know how to deny/harass back/ last hit. You are focusing on the enemy not being intelligent on how to fight back/ do the same back. And you don't mention anything about dodging a storm bolt! That is always fun! (When they begin to cast it, you quickly cast Shukuchi and it touches you, but does not stun or hurt you.

My clasm8 like that even if his enemy was raigor he wins in gg client it is poor gamer or my clm8 is the best??

hulu

Great guide with a realistic build 10'd

i agree to your comment thak you very much for the strategies!!!!!!!

hm, watcher in lvl 10?, i cant believe that, u suppose to increase watcher at least in lvl 3 or 4 to take advantages of runes. Also, i dislike the equip part. With buriza and butterfly weaver is unstoppable. And also you said at late game try to buy skadi, but geminate attack have orb effect so is kinda a waste of skill. My equips Should be in late game :

1. Buriza do Kyanon
2. Power Treads
3. Butterfly
4. Gem ( just in case they have eyes )
5. Radiance
6. Maybe a Heart of Tarraske.

kulang nang claymore ung divine mu

I think geminate, early game, helps a lot with last hitting. So upgrading it early to at least the 5 second cooldown perhaps in place of stats with the recent buff makes last hitting and farming for radiance a breeze - you just wait until a creep is low health by which time your geminate should be ready and you can attack, seeing that without it the base dmg of weaver makes it tough.

hmmm... this is shit dont get skadi coz of Geminate Attack and Radiance on weaver that was just dumb because if u go invis the radias will go o there head so they no your there i reckon u should get is this:

* 3 wraith bands
* power treads (agi)
* mkb
* bruizer
* sell a band and get hyperstone

OWNAGE!!!!!

so the late game inventory would be treads, radiance, RoB & skadi or HoT? hmmmm....sounds good

very good guide, but i think that u should have 2X bracer, PT str, vanguard, buriza, then mkb but by the time i get buriza the game is usually over, in my favour XD. the str is important so u have more health, so itll give u more time that u can shukuchi and harrass and annoy the shit out of them XD

he needs meckansm for double healing

right guide ^^
u didnt got all the right items.no misfits or anything ^^

i think that it would be more useful to take sukuchi and geminate be4 stats...

While I somewhat understand why you would consider getting higher levels of shukuchi earlier, I don't see why you need to add more pts to geminate..

Unless you're horrible and cant last hit properly, why wouldn't you want more life/mana etc?

you can kill a solo hero in lvl 2.

geminate attack + sukuchi

do the watchers have true sight 4 invicible heroes such us rikimaru?
pls. inform it will be much appreciated

The Butterfly is also a good option!

The Butterfly is also a good option!

nice item build, but if i'm not playing seriously (fooling around), i would get a butterfly and maelstrom, along with satanic. just saying.

overall guide 8/10

i think u made a mistake...the damage of shukuchi does increase with lvl

Wow a very good hero and a very good guide. he doesn't seem to do mch damage though. I will try him out thnx to this guide cuz i always thought he was weak.

is blood seeker a stuner??