A Donat's way of Darchrow
Created by donatboy on 2007-02-04
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LOOOL good strategy.
Why you buy blink dagger??? I think 2 void stone for mana regen.
your item build didnt have much point to it besides th bkb so nukes dont hurt as much and aegis since ever1 can benefit from it your spells made alot of sense to do and i liked the Q,A at conclusion ok guide
with conversion.. i don't think u will have enough mana for malefice.. malefice is a good skill to harass heroes.. and to escape too..
i can tell that you don't really play really good players, this build is a basic , if you really know how good players are they always stay scattered so they don't get ganked easily, thats the whole point of bkb , to stop stuns that hit you, aegis doesnt do that, even though bkb is only for ten seconds its enough for the whole duration of a black hole and to make your team gank easily,
@ fortitude,
Blink dagger is to instantly blink out of now where to black hole with surprise,
@AoL Sanz
thats why in early game i put the point on getting malefice on lvl 2 to get 2 stuns, convertion to be first to be gotten, 2 stuns is enough to get your opponents harrased, at lvl 7 you can complete a harras at your opponent with only 255 ,mana
i don't mean to be rude but...this strat. kinda wierd cause items are okay but seem so basic and i don't agree wid skill build cause i get midnight pulse at early game for haras and to do combo..also wid conversion early game u would lack the mana 4 killing and escaping..gj though keep it up
midnight pulse deals only little damage early game for such a great manacost, its the whole point why i explained in why i took it mid game, midnight pulse manacost is 180 while convertion is 125, which has better damage early game, midnight pulse deals about 48 dps at early game for 8 seconds, while convert denies, helps to deny, harasses and 100+ dps whenever an enemy gets close, and another plus is that you can make an opponent go home at lvl 7 with just lvl 2 malefice meaning with 255 mana u can dominate a lane, instead of taking midnight pulse with 180 manacost, which eventually leads you to a mana lacking enigma, perhaps you would even lack mana for a black hole when a team battle is starting.
midnight pulse is preferably taken at lvl 12 were your opponents hp would be at 1k and above, in that way you would deal 60 or more dps for 8 seconds instead for a measly 48 that makes you out of mana for early game micro management
another thing is that convert has provides a better purpose, you deny creep exp to zero and make it 6 exp when your creeps get killed, and your opponent doesnt get exp if it expires so its a obvious pick
How can you say this guy is not a herokiller? He is one of the best int heroes for heroslaying.
Here's the formula for an attack combo against a hero with around 2k hp:
Damage Source of damage
600 Midnight Pulse
560 Black Hole
140 Radiance
360 Converted creeps
240 Malefice
1900 Damage all in all in one combo (results may vary)
Note that you often catch 2, 3 or even 4 heroes in the same area, in which case you apply BH, MP and Radiance damage to all others than your main target, whom you put your converts and malefice on.
Darchrow is by far one of my favorite heroes, and Darchrow=Godlike ;)
ppl forgetting these builds arent for uber pros....theyre for beginners, who NEED guides. naturally its gonna be basic lol
what kind of player is stupid enough to enter a midnight pulse with 2k hp?, most players get blink or rather run away with that much amount of hp. and besides if you really play 5 vs 5 frequently, you can find players scattered in a lane thus harder to black hole, a enigma seeking for a hero kill in a 5vs 5 game would be most probably food for the scourge, what gives you the idea that they would just let you freeze their team mate in a black hole? hero killing is sure attractive, but can you kill all without your teammates?, try hero at a early stage of the game at lvl 7 or 8 or lvl 10 or 11, ganking starts at these lvls, can you kill at this stage? game would probably be decided at lvl 11, the team that owns probably is almost un counter-pushable, so if you make enigma solo type can you still support your team mates without protection from stuns?
provided that I have enough mana, i usually do the following things for a (almost guaranteed hero kill):
say you and the hero you're facing is around lvl 9-12ish, you've maxed malifice and conversion, 1 point at black hole and 1 point in midnight pulse. Assuming the enemy hero is not silencer or any other mass disable hero like rhasta, do the following steps:
1.Harass him so he has around 3/4th of his total hp, not too much harrass or he'll be more defensive, you gotta let him think you're not planning to do anything sudden.
2. start attacking with your converted creeps at once like after you've killed 1 of "his creeps" and immediatly cast malifice.
3. right before the 6th malifice stun kicks in, cast midnight pulse followed by black hole. so while the enemy hero is losing X percentage of his total hp, he will also take damage from the BH and the converted creeps.
4. If this doesn't take him down, then just followhim and cast malifice on him again while your converted creeps are pounding on him. (If you have euls scepter, just cast cyclone and wait have you and your converted creeps "surround him" so he cant move.)
I do not assume that teammates would stand idly by as I BH a hero; actually it's a very good idea to have BKB to prevent stuns, but radiance is a very nice complement to Enigma's excellent skills adding even more DPS.
Nor do I assume that Enigma can kill all heroes all by himself. DOTA is a teamgame, so naturally your own teammates play a part in killing heroes. But the great damage per second that Enigma is able to provide often secure that he gets the kill. Or so it is in my experience.
Anyway, it was not to critisize your guide, just to put another perspective to Enigma, which is not so "soft" :)
place midnight pulse just under chronosfere and follow with black hole once its done. All enemies will be loosing more than 60% of max life only from midnight pulse, not to mention the dmg of your ult or of your allies. BH also works very well with aoe ult such as sand king's or freezing field.
Firstly he is used alot in official games. Secondly it is a good guide, becuase it inculdes creep blocking, denying , taking advantage of your opponent and the items. And mid solo is much better for this hero because your teammates will be able to help you in case of a gank. www.meetyourmakers.com prime defending xtreme #1 watch the pros play this hero, its really amazing.
nice build u got there.. good strategy! i will try this one once, hopefully to win! hahaha!!!
i will try this strategy too
i would rather buy preservarence bofore blink dagger....
Pretty good strat. Actually this hero is a good pick for competetive play. Good item selection. Use the dagger w BKB then fire ur ulti's and u got urself quite a mass killer. Although it takes time to master this hero as it isn't the typical farmer and quick killer hero. All in all very good.
get radiance it will help blackhole and midnight pulse....also if u have blink dagger no point in getting BoT shud get treads instead.... get guinsoo for mana regen
BoT is only optional, plus dagger with BoT makes a big difference, BoT serves as a longdistance teleport while dagger serves as a ganking item
you got no physical damage... try gettin' a radiance n necronomicon for full effect of blach hole!!! otherwise 8/10 for u. keep up good work
O_O, again with the radiance, how about what items you will get during a 5 vs 5 game, a blink dagger and a bkb almost totals radiance, so what you people are saying is ditching immunity to magic and instant gank by buying radiance that gives rather a visibility when ganking, and a dps ? even though you have money enough for a radiance, won't you get a aegis/ heart instead? gives you survibabilty, sure radiance gives excellent immolation, but will immolation keep you alive during a ganking period? will immolation give you immunity to magic? will immolation give you a instant gank opportunity? choose survivability over solo dps, items that benefit your teammates blends with enigma more rather than a dps item.
nice start donat boy
I agree with your point on not maxing out BH kinda needs alot of mana for that..also nice build for a 5v5 game...I'd give it a 9...why not add arcane's ring though
just a thought...
Pick between the two, blink dagger OR arcane ring?
arcane ring -yes gives mana, does it give instant gank opportunity?
Perfect build, in fact, it's exactly how I build him. A sobi mask is enough regen to last you all game, maybe suggest getting that early since it is way better than basilus once you have more than 32 intel (I'll show you calculations if you want.) and you get enough intel without stat items. Also, you could put spectre as one of your worst enemies since his dispersion has an AOE ministun taht goes through your bkb :), overall a great guide.
I know you answered this already, but I still disagree on delaying Midnight pulse. If you only have black hole lv 1,
It wont do much damage without having Midnight pulse, even in early game. Plus, Malefice + midnight pulse is a better way of harassing... What I do is Midnight pulse-Black hole-malefice. I think Midnight pulse does the most damage in this combo!
i know that midnight pulse deals damage early game, but what will you use to convert, convert denies and harasses that complements perfectly with malefice, midnight pulse is better gotten lvls 12-14 since enemy heroes already get high hp by then, delaying it a bit won't cause a problem since it will result in a greater effect
You may make this one a nuker with his 4 skills at once. Conversion, malefice, midnight pulse and ulti. This kills melee hero fast and have an advantage with tankers. You may have a Eye of Skadii for some purposes.
why dont you get arcane Ring ?
arcane ring would serve no purpose with enigma later on the game, earlier parts of the game you will use only convertion and hardly use malefice, since this build saves skill use this build does not need arcane ring unless needed by your team
ur item build for enigma in the late game is funny....its like a noobs item in the mid game...
if you would call this build noobish, what would you call all the other players that use this build? and first and foremost blink dagger and bkb are main items for enigma because it blends perfectly with black hole, another question for you is how would you use enigma in any other way, are you saying that we would get dagon? id rather get necronomicon for that, if your saying that the optional items that the guide readers should get is wrong what else would you put, if you don't make enigma a tank late game enigma would just be food,
Black Hole + Shadow Fiend's Requiem of Souls = MASS OF DEAD HERO FLESH!!!
cool guide thank's and i love it! this will make my darchrow a better hero...
got nothing say but this is one of the the best strategy that i've read
i get 2 bracer, boot, then skadi then vangard. i double kill and even made them leave . this hero is just great.
not so bad strategy ....
ns english hahaha
I've found Bkb not entirely necessary as the pull of BlackHole prevents the enemy from casting spells. You just gotta play with frds you know well, and who will stun/silence the enemies that can stun you before you get off black hole.
at least w my games, its not so much the cancellation of Bhole while its channelling, but how to survive the before and after, which ive found to be reliant on your positioning, timing and skill with casting the ulti.
Nonetheless great guide!
As a suggestion, i play using a euls and Jinsoo, which can turn Darchrow into a reasonable hero killer and still being a good teamplayer. 2 disable spells are better than 1 ^^
I like the point on the dmg of the Eidolons early game compared to Pulse... I will go for Eids instead in the early game.
Oh and refresh orb has done wonders too.
nice one :D
your item build is good but why did you put a boots of travel?
but isn't it better to just put a power
threads
well your strategy is good
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
nice guide!!!.... but i usually get bh at lvls 6 11 16 ta help my team mates...
enigma doesn't need higher aspd and damage, his minions do his dirty work. getting midnight pulse is not so good in the early game, there would be little damage and enemies would be foolish if they stay in its aoe. Enigma is a mass disabler/pusher, stands little chance in 1v1 but perfect in teamplay, the essence of DOTA. He's a perfect partner to anyone especially those with AOE ultis
sorry for the double post but one question, if you convert a creep for pushing and not as a denying tool, which should you convert, a ranged creep or a melee creep
OMG you play enigma like me!! This is how you should play enigma, although I opt for a Necromicon over Vanguard.
. NICE GUIDE!! I THINK THAT MIDNIGHT PULSE IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO HELP TAKE DOWN
HEROES WITH MANY HP AND HELP YOUR TEAMMATES IN BATTLE!!
You have no mana/manaregen or damage. Enigmas spells costs alot of mana, and u need to be able to use them all the time. Black King Bar and Vanguard or unnecessary. My build: BoT - Linkens - Radiance - guinsoos - skadi. Excellent hero, dont screw it up!
I hate Enigma's Conversion.. So I prefer to maxout Enigma's Malefice and Midnight Pulse.. Because Enigma's Conversion won't help in a Hero Kill for me.. I also prefer the item Radiance.. Blackhole+Radiance is pretty good.. Thanks for your strat..
Blackhole + Maledict is seckseh.
@jinjarbrid malefice*
I think this strategy is ... okay. Not very well thought out, and you could do a lot better. (maybe) Why conversion.. early? or as a matter of fact, not last?
Mine would be better but the site won't let me make one right now..
ooo, you forgot mercuial, her disperision=canceled black hole.
A pro strategy. The main pt in taking conversion is not harassing, but denying exp. And which stupid fool would go into an area of midnight pulse if u didn't suck him in with black hole 1st? How can u even think of using midnight pulse b4 lvl 6? Pls don't go around and say 'OMGROFL what a noob'. There's a reason y pros get blink dagger 4 enigma, he's already explained it. The same for BKB. And 1 pt i'd like to make: enigma is a SUPPORT disabler, it isn't surprising if he doesn't get so many kills like techies suiciding everywhere. Don't go around saying 'OMGROFL sickness what a noob', because you don't understand the role of enigma in the 1st place. And radiance for enigma? When u don't even have enough hp to survive? Pls use some common sense ok. Necro is good, gives hp, int, and yr necros can attack ppl when they r disabled by black hole. That IS a solid choice for enigma.
WTF !! where are the INT eqps??!!??
AHH!! DARCHROW = SUPER COMBO HERO u need to knw that..
So, malefice + midnight rose a little ahead of him + black hole to stop him getting out of midnight == SUPER TEAM GAME strategy...== U WON T BE ABLE TO PAWN HEROES BUT U ARE A TEAM GAME HERO SO BE IT!!
7/10
basically, my build is:
travel
necro
refresher
IMO, necro is the main item... combo: malefice, necro, midnight, black hole... while channeling, burn some mana and attack with your babies
yes, i know that with no defensive items i should die quick, but i don't like the vanguard/tarrasque idea... maybe a bloodstone can help a bit more, but i never tested it
Nice guide men, it helped me a lot!
Question pls make a guide for a 1 on 1 battle using enigma
ur name is sohai,donathai macibai.wat for buy bkb? bodohkah? sohai!!!!
i don't really think this strategy utilizes darchow's abilities. He's an awesome farmer, granted, but he can also be a great hero killer.
Heres how to be a hero killer with darchow. Grab ur gang of eidolons and hotkey them and then malefice so he gets slowed and stunned in intervals. Now very quickly, set up midnight pulse fast and then dark hole. the darkhole will drag that sucker into the midnight pulse and then you shud ff the enemy with ur eidolons. This is very effective in mid game, but in late game, it is best with a stunner.
Well nice skill built, i will change mine for this one =) just one thing about "instant gank opportunity". BH has 3 minutes cd, no way you can gank with it, no way you can waste it when you outnumber your opponents. Just go for maledict and midnight.
Sry for double just one more thing ... about BKB. Why not a linkens ? it gives mana regen, more hp than BKB, and protects you also against disables. I used BH many times, but it was cancelled only 2 or 3 times (about 5% no more). And in 3on2 (a gank), you arent stunned or sheeped more than once.
BKB stops more disables than linken, while linkens only negates 1 single target stun. It's not so effective against say, rhasta/lion/bane who each have >1 disable skill. The only way linkens could be better is against a noob Lucy who never uses lvl death before Doom.
2 disables on you, and your mates kill him easily :/
But there's no guarantee you will not be disabled in like 5v5/4v4. When ppl know of the GGness of BH, they'll just space themselves apart. Besides malefice is most often used after BH to stop 'em fr running away. The 3rd thing is Linkens is too expensive, when enigma needs a disable protection ASAP. Did i mention that in a competent 5v5, Enigma might be buying wards as well?
the correct hero killing order is pulse, black hole, malface to finish because if malface is used first u wont use the stun to its full potential
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I tried bkb instead of linken. U are right caspian, it's much better
sucks really
I have played the Enigma various different ways with different item / skill builds, i think the best is getting malefice with stats to some point, allows without any items to constantly spam malefice, and with a low hp hero laned with you due to added damage one malefice + your attack throughout, will leave hero with close to half hp. I knot it might sound wierd but it really works
Cool!!! I like this strategy. It is usefull. Thanks.
I love it!!!
when i activate the black hole it dispels immediately.. what does channeling mean?:|
why don't you include int items in Darchrow's build?????if you are going to continuously use conversion, shouldn't you get 1-2 null talismans in early game???????
NOBBYZ
good build try refresher
IMO midnight pulse is not only used for harrassing heroes... remind you guys it also damages creeps!! it also adds chances for you to get the G's!! and it is also situational... it should be maxed if you are laned with a melee hero...
... well thats just my opinion,,,
why is leshrac in both categories " heroes to partner up with" and "worst lane partners"?
?????????
no meka??
BKB is a must..
dude i disagree with your strat with enigma you should shoot for sheepstick linkens skadi and refresher since he has high intel gain and is a disabler you should shhot for slows and spamming the ulti.
the sheepstick is a must
I like your build
you might also want to add magnus since reverse polar + bh = gg
pro skill requiring strat and realistic items makes for a big fat 10.
midnight pulse is good for roshan since roshan in new version is vulnerable to magic
wth... this strategy does not really helps in killin. You are supposed to up midnight pulse early. amlefice midnight and black hole, usually sure kill for low hp heroes early game. Although conversion is gd for denying, but as long you have practice, there is really no need for it early game.
is pulse then blackhole on the pulse a good idea?
make a new version!!! We don't have aegis anymore!!
nevermore is a good ally for him,
pulse,
black hole
and then requiem of souls!!!
TRIPLE KILL!!!
TRIPLE KILL!!!
TRIPLE KILL!!!
it is very possible you know...
@hemingxi
Why wouldn't it be?
do you think it'd be more effective casting MP AFTER your ultimate is over?
sigh
Completely agreed on early game.
What i get is:
BoT
Guinsoo
RF orb
Radiance.
The problem I have is that I usually play public games, and so the people I play against are well...
Yes I know BKB owns it, but what do u think of my items? tons of disable. In fact you have permadable.
Quick question: BKB i think would stop the dmg from a black hole, but would it stop the disable?
A very well worded and nice strategy for Enigma Darchow. Items selections are well thought through and the skill build is perfect also. Most league gamers such as I would definitely go along with those items first. The fact that donatboy said about game ending around lvl 11 ish is also correct. Unless you are playing in a "EM" game (which is for nubs). Well made strat, if you don't agree with strat, just stfu and stay with EM pub games.
refresher? aghanims? shiva's guard?
not quiet interesting...
i have my own way...
I always buy guinso and eul's. With these items i can disable again and again the heroes without linken sphere.


