Lunatic Eclipse - Moon Rider Guide

1st comment! nice guide good idea on buriza since when your first attack hits critical... the other glaives will hit harder too...

Hi! Im brand new to this site and have enjoyd the comments. For the last 2 weeks i have chose this hero and have figured out a very good strategy. It ownd 12-0 in a 5v5 with the other team compsing of Naxia, Sniper, Elemental, Medusa and Pugna.

I found the items suggested here usless except for lothars. My item build was:
1-Secepter
2-BoT
3-Lothars
4-Linken's Sphere
5-Refresher Orb

I never got a 6th item because I never went back. I just had a bunch of clarity potions and went around killing people and laughing.

Lothars in, get right next to them pop Ulti, lucent beam and chase them!! Insta kill! With Secepter it allows ulti to hit the target 5 times. If they arent dead after Eclips wears off then ur cooldown on ur Lucent beam is done and Finish him off with that. dagger of escape can also come in handy if ur chasing them towards a tower or in a base.

anyone know how much damage per Lucent Beam?

Whoa... Nice Guide Fox!

@dglitch : Damage dealt by 1 beam from eclipse is equal the damage dealt of lucent beam depending on its level.

the damage of each lucent beam of eclipse is equivalent to the damage of your lucent beam. example you only hav level 3 lucent beam. each lucent beam in the eclipse only has 225 damage...

Sorry for double post but I just disagree to the skill build...get glaives first before stats.... but anyway nice guide!

@ dglitch = Lucent Beam does 300 damage, it only says that a billion times... you mean the ult. The ult summons loads of your nuke. Which is mentioned. Sigh.
@ jizy = its easy to own those five with eclipse, they have no hp at all lol. Kidding, nice.
@ Quickbrownfox = Good guide, you know what you're doing, but I seriously recommend rushing Lothars then a Sceptre. Meh, each to his own though. Again, good guide. 10/10

Sorry for double post but I just disagree to the skill build...get glaives first before stats.... but anyway nice guide!

a nice guide....
but i dont like rushing radiance..
might aswell buy lothars and butterfly..
nice skill build..
and yes.. you can put aghanism and linken as your optional item..
8/10

yeah sorry i meant the beams from eclipse not just beam (the skill)

sorry i just wanna confirm since there were alot of confusion here:

Each beam of Eclipse is dependent on the level of your lucent beams? And the max you do is 10 beams of 300 damage each? (which is level 4 lucent beam)

really sorry to post again but i wanted to mention that eclipse's cooldown is not 12 its 100 at level 3

http://www.dota-allstars.com/hero.php?id=1363

HOLY CRAP! 12s cd on Eclipse!!! MEGA-OWNAGE!!! Lol.

I think it's meant to be 120 but then got reduced to 100 or something. Anyway, quite a nice guide I think. I think it's good not to rely on your ult too much because late game some people are just impossible to kill with it. Good job.

As I explained in the early game section. This build will NOT be focused on your eclipse. I don't want to focus on Eclipse for kills. Plus, good players will grab Hoods/Bkb, if they know you're going for caster builds.

@_noob28_: Rushing Radiance does sound like a daunting task, but it pays off in spades. If you really prefer not to, I'd suggest getting lothar's edge earlier.

@TOPAK™: Why stats over glaives? Glaives just tickle early game, with your not very good base attack. Stats, on the other hand, get you an extra lucent beam, and let you stay alive longer.

nice guide, i followed it except i got boots of travel and three wrath bands and instead of going for lothar ( coz the other team was maphacking ) i went for the butterfly after i got my radiance. It very easy to draw first blood with this hero. i ended up with 10-2. once again nice guide

@lizhang:
Hope I don't get the misfortune to play with a maphacker. Travel is fine too, butterfly will provide for the attack speed. I'd still say get a blink, even if they see you, if they can't get to you, it doesn't really matter.

Ay last a good Luna guide......
I agree 100% with you at everything.Good job man

LAWD! No one [Filipino] got the intro pun yet!

XD

wonderfull

Scepter first. Added stats and buffs your ulti like hell. Damage luna is good but lothars and scepter is an unbeatable combo. It gives your opponent little to no time to react to whats just happened where as walking next to them and attacking them isnt quite as good... I like this strat though and will give it a go 8/10

Well I think the joke there is "Lunatic Eclipse" which is a "creep" in terms of Ragnarok Online, am I right..?!

or a left..?!?

it is a DPS build i will try these instead of the Aghanims Build

The intro reminds me of Sailor Moon... Anyway, nice job! :D

hmm..usually i get agahims first then 2 butterfly lol your attack speed will be WTF lolzzz anywyas i only like the idea of lothars,armour cuirass and buritza in your build...dont know why radiance although it synergise with moon gaive anyways nice... 8/10

I noticed people keep on mentioning scepter. I should have been more blunt on why I'm not using it. Early game zoom-in already explains it. Basically, It's too easy to counter and makes you too reliant.

@jerico009: Nice out of the box thinking, but, nope. Lunatic Eclipse is related to something else.It'll take some knowledge of independent made games and japan, and a hint in the credits for you to find out.

@VikiFanatic: Winner! Someone noticed it, lol.

there is a fundimental flaw to this guide in that you are dependant on eclips to kill. You clearly state in this guide that it will not be needed too much late game but this character will not survive late game if ANYONE on the opposing team knows what they are doing. With this guide, you will never get away from disablers and your only defense is your nukes which you decided to neglet due to the lack of mana gear. stats and raith bands WILL NOT take care of mana issues. Arcane ring is what i recommend early game. awsome mana and active mana replenish for that extra lucent beam spamability.

unrealistic item build. GL farming enough gold for a killer. this hero is next to useless lategame unless fed beyond belief early.

1/10

@Panda:
Where should I start? You're comments are fundamentally flawed if you think you've read it and still make those comments.

1. "You're neglecting the nukes".Nukes are weaker as the game progresses. Hood of Defiance and black king bar messes your strategy greatly. That is why I don't bother with a scepter. Where does mana go, when everyone just shrugs off 225 or less damage. where does my eclipse go, when a Meka just negates almost half of it, and a BKb renders it useless.

2. "No mana items". At Level 7, you have a mana pool of at least 450 with 3 levels of stats and 2 Circlets. That's an eclipse and a lucent beam's worth. If you can't kill with that, then you chose the wrong time or the wrong hero to kill. At level 11, you have at least 600 mana. That's an eclipse and 2 lucents worth. I don't see a mana issue there. What about spamming it?, bring clarities if you really want to, but spamming it works best only in early game.

3. "You're not going to survive to late game". Am I now? I keep on dying early, so I never get to radiance. Well, that's a problem on the player, I don't need to teach you how to survive, as survival is the first thing one should learn in dota. If they marked you, then play safe and farm defensively/go neutrals. Also, this build features some items geared for survival, namely lothar's edge and Heart of Tarrasque. If you really want assurance, then swap radiance and lothar's edge.

4. "You're not going to be able to buy all of those". Yes I am. Especially once you get your Radiance. Money becomes no issue then. As I said, Radiance and Moon glaives have synergy for farming.

Have I missed any more points you forwarded? Feel free to clarify, and better, try it out. I hope you understand what I'm saying here. And I hope I've changed your outlook on my way of playing the Moon Rider.

Hmmm, an overall good strategy and your information cut right down to the point. In the conlusion part however, I share a similar distaste for those DPS heroes. What would you advise against those? Or just stick with teammates? Especially Clinkz, he can get the jump on you and his early game damage bonus on searing arrows is PAIN. advice for counter?

Thanks.

many bold statements on your part.

all said and done, moonrider is still really squishy until you get that heart late game...if you get it. a good stun just rapes her. clarity potions mid/late game? bad. cmon. arcane ring is just more logical.

@Transfat: Early game, play defensively against units like clinkz, try to stay alive. Midgame, Ltars/Blink dagger should help you escape if you duck into the right corner, or combine with a town portal(tricked a clinkz w/o gem by not running straight and used a portal, too late when he saw the blue streak, he wasn't expecting that). Late game, you have a heart, and teammates. That should make life a bit easier on you, get a disable on him and mow him down.

@Panda:Glad we're not beating each other up on this. If you find arcane ring very useful, then take it. I have nothing against that.

Mid/Late game. You're not going to spam it anyway, since your DPS speaks louder than lucent beams.

As for being ravaged while stunned, that'll happen to almost anyone caught in a gank. That's why they gank, you know.

In case you misunderstood, the clarities will be for early game. You won't need them when you get radiance. Your hits will supplement any missing lucent beam uses.

Thankx for the advice....I guess blink/lothars can help a lot. But I still think Clinkz is cheap cuz say you are in mid lane pushing tower wif creeps. Clinkz comes in BEHIND you and starts Strafe/Searing arrows, [very deadly combo] and you dead before you get past him *sigh*. This is early game btw.

@Transfat: Best play would be to cease pushing for a while until the point when pushes work as a team. You'll probably die if that happens to you, best other counter would be sentries, then unleashing an eclipse on his visible bones.

Has anyone else noticed that Lunar Blessing is not the most unique skill! [IF you kno what i mean] observe

Drow
Trueshot aura
7/14/21/28% Damage Bonus

Shendelzare Silkwood
Command Aura
12/20/28/36% Damage Bonus

Luna Moonfang [YAY!!!!!]
Lunar Blessing
6/13/20/27%

Wait a minute. WTF, drow, AND shendelzare beat her in damage bonuses....in conclusion
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@Transfat: The good thing though is, they all stack.

omg wowz. all added together.....wait, i have to write it down

28+36+27=91%! Unfortunately, two of those are for rangers. But Drow, Luna, and Silkie ARE rangers! talk about UBER DAMAGE!

This guide provides concise information on how to play luna moon fang.

i however think that this guide is not "beginner" friendly as it really takes high skills to pull off.

Because radiance has an obscene $ cost for its 0 survivability (top up about 2k which gives u skadi - but thats not the pt here) , and your only escape mechanism costs about 3.3k plus all your other items, it takes around 10k before luna starts becomes less fragile (even then her hp is still ridiculously low)and more effective.

Plus a heart (again another 5++ k) and that totals up to around 15k worth of cash .

I would highly recommend an alternative item build which is more "beginner" friendly , like items which comes in smaller parts and isnt an pure offensive or pure defensive item .

Altho early game stats helps your survivability, it still takes an above average player to not feed - imo . Because her base hp and average str gain per level (15 + 1.75) is just way-way-too-low for beginners to handle.

Other than that, its an impressive guide .

@Respect: I see your point. Radiance Rush is a bit daunting task for beginners. Well, Lothar's does add damage and an escape tactic. Or would an early vanguard work as well? Any Ideas on how to make a beginner-friendly alternative?

no skadi plz...

i agree with Shimrra_3.

RUSH lothar as asap. since ur wont be able to kill str heroes as easy later on.

so nuke them. attack them. if they chase u eclipse. if they survive ww and kill. if u in trouble ww and get away.

radiance wont save u in the early game and wont give u much more kills. lothar will

"Yes I am. Especially once you get your Radiance. Money becomes no issue then."

32965 gold? dont think game is that long

@svh: I'm serious. I've reached that much, and that wasn't even pub/-em. I guess we have longer games than you. You should at least finish with the 4 core items intact, with one option [total value around 22K] (unless it was a rush game).

If you really can't survive without an escape tool, then rush early lothar's. Just that if you are capable, getting radiance first makes everything else easier to get.

uhmmm i agree wit ur item build but why skadi?skadi stax with glaives but it doesnt slow an opponent??!?ryt??!?

maybe get linken^^or other optional items..^^nce guide bro

It is indeed an uphill task to get a radiance after early game...give your low base dmg and weak hp, not much chance to push and farm. The only hope you could wish for is to get some quick kills with eclipse early game. The guide is good, provided you get beyond radiance first. I would have to agree that scepter is a waste of gold.

Hoods seriously messed up the spellcasters in this version. Even if you manage to land 5 hits of 300 dmg (scepter equipped), a 25% (hero) + 30% (hood) magic resistance will make it really useless.

and by the way...what is the exact damage of each lucent beams in eclipse??!?is it depends on what lvl is ur first skill??example if damage of ur first skill is 300 so every lucent beams that eclipse has is 300 each??!?

@cloud_ck: Thanks on backing me up on the caster vs Killer stand. Radiance will be all worth it, seriously. I'll edit soon to mention switching build order of radiance and lothar's IF you can't get 3800 w/o an escape tool.

@Dakilang_Putok: Eclipse lucent damage= current lucent beam level damage. Eclipse with 3rd level lucent deals 225 per beam. Eclipse does 300 dmg per beam w/ a level 4 lucent beam. Remember to always consider resistance before pulling it off. [25% base for heroes]

where is the aganhim's

@newbie: It's not here. Aghanim's Scepter is not a part of this build. For reasons why, read early game zoom in, or some of the comments i made.

Overall, nice guide.
Only 1 thing I dun understand:
Sorry if i m wrong.
Normally we seldom see people with invisible skills and buy a radiance, rite? So, isn't it Lothars with Radiance will expose you to your ennemy when u are escaping or back-stabbing?

For those who doesn't believe the guide works you should try it.

Anyways i used luna again. though i find its not a good idea to solo if you are up against 2 people. i was soloing in the begining but i was up against mogul kan and the witch doctor. it was annoying since if i get close mogul would hit me or cast battle hunter and if i don't kill a creep i lose a load of health. so i got owned early game and they easily pushed over the first bottom tower. but then medusa came to my lane and we pushed it back. so crappy early game

but mid game you own since you just run in after everyone is already engaged and most of their heros are half hp and you eclipse and they should be on red. I ended up killing all the other team a with the help of my team. after that i was able to get my radiance which by then it was basically gg . i ended up with 9-7. 7 was coz i got greedy and chased then the whitch doctor would stun me and lina would nuke me or razor would.

lol so basically follow the guide and don't run in early.

@fantasysky: Basically, Lothar's will be your anti-gank tool. The 9 seconds of Ms boost should be enough to get to safety. Not really for entering battle, since you aren't fat. don't worry if they see your radiance, as long as they can't get that hex or storm bolt on you.

oh im sorry

i c.. thanks for ur ans and the guide. i will try it out.

i agree with ur build except for skadi and id rather get lothar's first...
nuke ur enemy and when the run to go heal ww and kill. ul have 3-5 kills more by the time u would have gotten radiance and 2 levels ahead.
going for radiance first... ul have to farm very nicely and watch for ganks. not as much easy kills. and maybe a few deaths...

i agree with ur build except for skadi and id rather get lothar's first...
nuke ur enemy and when the run to go heal ww and kill. ul have 3-5 kills more by the time u would have gotten radiance and 2 levels ahead.
going for radiance first... ul have to farm very nicely and watch for ganks. not as much easy kills. and maybe a few deaths...

The way i see it quickbrownfox, you could advocate items that fix your hp and comes in small parts like ,

x 2 Bracer

or

Sange (i messed up which is which, that one that gives your strength)

or

soul booster

or

meka

and i am personally not a fan of lothar edge NOR caster luna.

True sight (necrobook) screws u over and caster luna is a better choice - imo

If you can force the whole of the opposition to buy hood of defiannce, i personally feel ur job of screwing up the opponent is done (make sure you dont have 5 caster hero on ur team that is)

And blink is a cheaper and more efficient way to maxmimise your ultimate. (because u can just blink/ultimate)

The items above (other than blink) are all based off theory, because i have dislike luna a bit because of her low base damage and generally ultimate-dependent trait.

MAybe you could experiment with the items i suggested and find the best option:)

Good luck

in the aboev post, i meant to say i am not a fan of lothar luna and battle luna.

thanks

@ReSpEcT
wont sange completely SCREW up luna?

luna and VS are my fav heroes.
luna is DEADLY played correctly

and i dont think she would be deadly or even good with that item build

oooooo Sange=Maim Orb effect=Bad.

@svh: I'm a bit offended that you dismiss this build so quickly.

@ Respect - "Sange (i messed up which is which, that one that gives your strength)" You seemed new-ish to Dota before, now I KNOW you're new to Dota.

@ quickbrownfox - Rushing radiance first is a good idea, although not easy for newbs. Maybe after you've rushed radiance you could get a point booster before lothars. Lothars+2xLucent Beam+Eclipse will leave your mana pool looking pretty empty.

That said, arcane ring is NOT required if you're smart about using your Lucent Beams, that and it's useless late game. Also to everyone who's advocating Aghanim's/refresher, please realise that you are essentially buying an extra ultimate at the cost of nerfing your damage and attackspeed. If the opposition team is pushing behind even a few creeps or summons, your ultimate quickly becomes useless.

Good guide galing mo

Thanks , Ownage Intro Quickbrownfox...
Ownage Strat.
Stop Saying Aghanim Sceptre Right There..Make Your Own Strat If You Have Too..( I TRied to make one without sceptre ... lazyness rocks )

STRATEGY RANK: GODLIKE. Nothing more to say, 9/10.

@kAEm: A point booster before lothar's? Well, easy to farm for, and if you feel more at ease with the boosted mana pool, then that's fine.
By the way, telling Respect why sange's a bad idea(orb on Luna=NO), would be better than rubbing in the point that he's still has much to learn.

@quickbrownfox - dont be. i said i like ur build... i would just get lothars before radiance... doesnt make me "right" just my choice i like it that someone actually made a decent luna guide cos most people cant play her and write her of as a bad hero.

@ReSpEcT - sange is the one that gives strength. but it doesnt work with luna

@svh: I see. Must have not understood the meaning of this quote: "and i dont think she would be deadly or even good with that item build"
Looks like it was directed to someone else, on second look. Must be on edge to defend my guide. BTW, skadi is just for consideration, if you want both an hp and mana boost. And you are free to swap radiance with lothar's if it makes you feel comfortable. Sorry about that.

no prob... was to te build above my post. one with sange

Items like buriza/basher/sange are not recommended on luna. The thing is, ONCE luna scores a critical, the dmg will NOT be passed. ONLY one unit gets the critical. The same with bash/maim. Makes Luna anti-push instead. And this will happen VERY frequently since yr build concentrates on her pushing power and her agility will INCREASE her attack speed.

wait should you get bracers instead of wraith bands if you are getting harrased hard by nukers? ie lion

bracer gives higher str. so ul need to decide how u r going to play. i would not go for bracer and rather get higher int. and nuke back and let THEM stay back while u denie/last hit creeps.

(Hmm.. how best to explain this.. ok how bout..)

Go ahead! Get a Sange! Attacking is overrated..
(or mathematically)

Luna Moonfang uses Moon Glaives to attack:
Luna = Moon Glaives
Sange gives a chance to maim:
Sange = Maim
Now we all (should) know that maim negates Moon Glaives:
Maim + Moon Glaives = Nothingness
Therefore, by simple substitution:
Luna + Sange = Nothingness

@kAEm

Nice math.

Nice guide, as for lothars over blink dagger, blink daggers are harder to use; and if ur stunned u may not have enough time to blink away. What i normally do is this interesting strat i just found;
3 Wraith Bands, Treads, Buriza and EoS. it works for any ranged dps agility hero, i started using it in death match and i found it works for all dps agility ranged heros and many more. nice guide i say 10/10

kAEm is right. No sange. NO NO NO! Orb effect. She won't get any attacks. Don't be surprised if a sange Luna is not hurting anyone.....

an AGI + High Damage build Luna is always better than an INT Scepter LUNA...

Lothar is always good and worth for luna

nice build

This chick Totaly pwns my gay skeletal king. Im gay leoeloeleoeol.

well after trying your build, i have some comments. firstly, i like your introduction, sounds like poetry, secondly, i find that adding moon glaive instead of stats would be better, and go for EoS instead of Radiance, i think its better. but overall good guide 7/10

>.< Nice Guide...

Does Glaive Stack with Cranium? ... Bouce stun maybe.., When Luna Wears Agrahim She will have Thorns... Does it plash Back Dmg

Hey
1st time 2 post
Nice guide!
Made me a real Luna fan
5v5s make me a real hero
One question though:
How the hell do I kill HP and defense hogs like Bradwarden etc???
Thanks for the guide!!!

my skill build. glaive, lucent,lucent,stats,lucent,ulti,lucent,bblessing,blessig,blessing,ulti. finsh off blessing then glaive. items: treads,linkens,lothars,butterfly,buriza, and a radiance last if needed. normally only get up to butterfly in a game. good guide tho, 7/10.

@svh
I agree wif you there, but in perspective, all heroes are deadly when played correctly. All. Even heroes like Chen, although his deadlieness probably can't reach the deadliness of others. But still deadly.

@Transfat
agreed.

@Icyferno
i dont think u played his build correctly. why would u want a eos? cold damage doesnt work for luna. so thats a waste.

@sjas
make sure u have enough mana.
nuke them the WHOLE time. run up. nuke them and run back. this would #%@# them off and they will try to chase u. do this till they low on hp. heros like Bradwarden "tanks" still got about 2000hp left when they are "low on hp". so they would prob still try to take u on. lead them away from the creeps lucent beam(300), eclipse(1500 if scepter) and lucent beam when they run(300). u got one dead Bradwarden.

it was a mistake qutoing sange. My bad (i almost always use caster-luna)

BAsically if you wanna play battle-luna, its something like playing battle-lich - not the norm.

Although in luna's case, raddiance works obscneely well with glaives!

Same in the case of THD's , radiance synergises with dual breath for ease of farming.

However, in real games (teamwork-oriented) , damage wont be dealt by luna physically, by the time u farm radiance (giving 0hp) you're food for per say, zeus?

I hope everyone understands quickbrownfox's guide is about battle-luna , although its not the best build for luna in team-work oriented games it beautifully describes how a solitude luna would carry a game.

A decent luna with teamwork concept would understand her main DPS comes from her SPELLS , early map control is easily established with luna's ultimate by roaming every lane and owning everything .

Why would you even bother to consider your attack? The idea is similiar for zeus/lich/qop/cm etc, their whole job is to get hp/mana and spam and spam and spam or to get something to sear enemies apart with a hard-to-land-steroid-finisher (luna's ulti, cm's ulti)

p.s stop flaming me for that sange, it just slipped my mind

@ReSpEcT

I kno you are directing your questions to the guide author...but quote "Why would you even bother considering your attack?" It's so Luna isn't considered "worthless" late game, i mean sure, her nukes are deadly in early/mid game, but late game 300 only tickles heroes and her ulti as good as it might sound probably won't finish off that many heroes with nuke/ulti combo...its very neccessary to get DPS/damage items so she has even more deadliness along with her nukes, what if somebody lives through your combo late game? they'll just tear you apart. its the same for like KOTL. his nuke is really strong early/mid game, but he needs DPS items to actually be worth something late game.... thats my opinion...

@svh

Oh yea, yup, thanks

i know of one orb effect that works for her - life steal. it's cool - yellow boomerang bounces off enemies instead of her glaives. every other orb effect (and EoS's cold attack) causes her to stop attacking. i've tried this on 6.41

i know of one orb effect that works for her - life steal. it's cool - yellow boomerang bounces off enemies instead of her glaives. every other orb effect (and EoS's cold attack) causes her to stop attacking. i've tried this on 6.41

@Respect:
Even Battle Luna can Still serve It's purpose as a follow-up to the initiator. Eclipse will do its job with or without a scepter.

I guess I don't know the norm for Luna. The reason I tried her out, was that she wasn't picked in our games and rarely pops out in random. And I'm not a scepter fan, I'd rather give guinsoo for most Int unites with scepter boosts(except ogre magi)

And Yes, why care for damage? because of late game. If you're playing with a plan not to reach late game, then I probably won't recommend this as the best build for her then. Thanks Transfat.

@sjas: I'd say grab the buriza. Criticals do wonders on the tanks. I wouldn't recommend beamspam for this. As you'll only be dealing 225 damage maximum(only hero resistance, less if they're wearing a hood of defiance), and you can't cast it every second. Attacking on the other hand, can deal more damage, especially with criticals.

I think you can go invis w/ Lothar's while shackled right right??? cuz riki disapears within fade time wif his ulti while i am shcakleing with rhasta.

Oh yea, one last thing, the fact that her agi gain is 2.85 and her int gain is 1.85 sorta expalins itself that Luna is most battle type DPS hero....not skill dependant INT caster hero...why not take luna's strengths and strenghten it even more and not wasting money trying to make Luna more of what she mostly is not. [if somebody gets H.o.D you are screwed, however, that's not the case for Battle Luna.]

Hi,

sorry if anyone misunderstood, i wasn't directing my last comment for the guide writer, i was directing it at everyone else who over-rates luna's DPS capacity (quickbrownfox didn't)

To transfat/guide-writer, as much as luna can be played battle-luna, her efficiency really only lies in her ability to achieve map control FASTER than most DPS heroes, shes not made for DPS , her base damage is horrendous , she has no steroid skills, she'll get out-damaged by heroes which are build for DPS lilke razor/viper/troll etc

As to the agi/int gain comparism, i wouldnt think its very fair for our luna - the same way how you cannot bring out earthshaker's maximum potential by making him a dps/tank hero.(instead of gunisoo/refresher)

Regards

Alkalini

eh,

sorry the above comment wasn't phrased in the best possible way.

My apologises - i am bad w/ words

I do not mean any offense =)

Quickbrownfox is a great writer =))

@Respect:
No need to flatter me. I understand your point that Luna is not the most gifted for a DPS build, but the point is, she can. Supports her damage with nukes early, makes a comback with DPS late. It covers your weak points by not focusing on the part that soon becomes obsolete. Being a caster does have its merits, but the edge wont last forever.

BTW, I saw you mention QOP in the "why go DPS with these INT heroes?" List. Battle Akasha is more common than tha caster version(at least to my perspective). Just a mention.

nice strat. i prefer battle type heros coz i've seen many players screw up by relying on skills until the end game. i always go battle type when i select agi and str heroes. attack damage increases 24 times(one each lvl up), spell damage increase 2-3 times. unless you can keep those spells coming, don't go caster type

hi quickbrownfox,

i dont flatter u =) its true.

I tink you misunderstand me bout qop, "battle" means getting items such as radiance/desolator/mkb etc

To the best of my knowledge (and my area + most competitive QOP i see(like maelk) ) , skadi/linken or linken/skadi seems to be the most common and viable option

Thats not exactly "battle" , as it gives much more suvivability and basic regens.

Regards

respect

@ReSpEcT
Well in the case of Earth Shaker you can obviously see he is dependant of his skills..getting those INT items are neccesary for haivng enough mana and mana regen to cast those skills....Earth Shaker unlike most STR have three above average mana cost stuns..while others, Sven, Bradwarden etc only have 1 or 2 that don't need to be used that much.

and you just went with my point. you said how can he be DPS/Tank hero, its obvious, his AGI gain is the lesser factor of what he is, so its logical to not go toward his worst attribute, rather work toward what he needs [INT/mana/mana regen] and have some survivabilty so he can link those spells [HP]

@ReSpEcT

One last thing..one of your reasons for getting caster Luna quote "you can force the entire team to buy H.o.D". Well, the way i see it, H.o.D is cheap, easy to farm for with its low gold components, and "begginer friendly", plus, look at bonuses it offers, 8 hp regen and 30% spell reduction, who doesn't want H.o.D on their team? for an extra 2300 gold, you can screw up your "caster" Luna. It doesn't screw up the team if all of them are decent farmers.

@Respect: I suppose it is. Anyway, I guess that's over for our fun then. See you next guide.

@ transfat

I think the ES debate sholdn't be discussed here. But i would take CW over him as a tank anyday:D (refer to my prev comment - as i mentioned it doesnt maximimse his potential)

As to forcing them ALL to get H.O.D is definitely a good thing if your team wasn't full of spell casters =) But you're right in saying that if the opponent are decent farmers it wouldnt' affect them ALOT. However , if its also true for your team(i.e decent farmers), every hero that isn't a spell caster is effectively +2.3k above everyone on the opposing team.

p.s However in real life scenarios, if there were indeed 3-5 spell casters in your team versus 3-5 non-spell casters in the opponent, assuming equal skill level, the one with 3-5 spell casters should have established 100% map control and even H.O.D would be useless


@ Quickbrownfox : !! I look forward to your next guide!!:)

yeah make a vengefull spirit one so we can debate bout that

nice! but why not include scepter in the item list?

LUNA ROXXX TOTALLY BUT GETS EASILY PWNED @ LATE GAMES Should we go fer assault curriass coz her armor == SUXX!!

@bisdak90: I didn't include it, because you won't be needing it for this game plan.

@dhanvith90: You can try cuirass, but I think she wouldn't have armor issues late, better off with a butterfly.

Your typical battle luna guide good guide actually although I prefer blink over lothars as a core item since blink is more versatile than lothars.

@ReSpEcT
Meh, i c your point. I'm done *whew*.

skadi messes with her attacks dont u read what it says at the begginning when u get her? Orbs dont work? and even tho she's agil, go with an intel build and get sceptre for her ult.

good strat..

very detail..and..clever..

goog item build i think..

nice bro..

@xXNoobVlasicXx:
1. You think I'll tell people that skadi works if it doesn't? Skadi WILL work, but will not inflict frost.
2. Do I have to be blunt? This is obviously not the scepter INT build. I know what I'm doing here, okay?

@xXNoobVlasicXx
i don't think you read the guide carefully cuz quickbrownfox clearly stated why he didn't get Scepter.

pretty cool

@ReSpEcT
About the H.o.D thing, i suppose it is, spell casters "naturally" have better lane control, and overall map control in DoTa..but I still think Battle Luna is better cuz has very nice agi gain 2.85 and that makes it easy to own with agi/DPS items...i was just trying to bring your ES point in perspective cuz u said ES cannot be brung into full potential as DPS/tank. well, yea, cuz ES has crappy agi base and gain! . But in conclusion, i understand your points on Caster Luna and i have NP with it.

@ transfat

=)) Point taken

wad u need is rings and bracer in the early game ....

ur hp is too low in the beggining and if ur foe is ranged and aggresive,u couldnt even farm or gain exp.

i don suggest you to go for radiance cause i don think it will help and its not easy to farm 3800$.

go 4 a dagger and play safe.

First time trying this strategy. One word: Powerful. Totally owned. But then teamwork from my team wasn't that great and the host map hacked after they got pissed because of pwnage, so we lost anyways.

And i think rushing radiance is great. ++p

Just brilliant

mando. love to be against u in a lane

nice keep it up

im surprised no one suggested these items for early game survival:

wards and BoT/TP scrolls

obs/sentry wards are simply are the best items in terms of increasing your survival. prevention is better than cure. rather than buy bracers to help you escape from ganks, get wards to prevent ganks. 2 to 3 sets will provide you enough time to farm for your radiance.
BoT - luna is one of the fastest heroes. with BoT, no int hero will outrun you early to mid game.

tele with wards - you see them while they're still 2000 units away. by the time they reach your location, you're already farming another lane.

Nice guide! Item build needs a little work though... 8/10

@eyefury:
That's pretty sound advise, but I think that should work for most, if not all heroes.

your items for luna are good.!! but do you think that BKB is applicable if you have lothars edge? thaks

things to consider take off skadi its an orb...orbs dont work with luna...and luna needs sceptre!

thanks dude nice post...

@xXNoobVlasicXx
E.o.S works with Luna. Try it out
Guide author clearly stated why no scepter, (Spell Dependant).

bravo!!!muy bien!!! tnx for the startegy! very nice!!!

why not get a aganims scpter??

^^^^^^refer to zoom in at early game.

"A: This build will not be reliant on eclipse for your kills,"

Ever tinking of getting manta as the 2nd item? with luna moon glaive, it hurts big times....plus, u mana burn each target u hit v ur moon glaive. 3 luna(s), triple kill!!

4gt 2 add 1 more ting. B4 manta u wil hav diffusal. Tis gives u de cahnce of slowing de hero, catch up v them n cast ur ulti. Also help in team ganks by slowing fleeing heroes

@rogol-a-nator
Isn't manta orb effect? Orb effect no no except skadi with Luna?

linkens is better for luna than skadi...

dude, eos is an orb effect, i case u dun noe.

@munchi:
Skadi will not screw up Luna. Trust me. And it's just a suggestion, anyway...

wew,what a build!!
better luna buy any refresher orb,in this case luna can cast eclipse twice with total damage 6000!
Oh that's hurt.....

excellent guide... like the way u display the inventory

I prefer having lothars for damage and escape then radiance since Luna has low mana and hp. His attacks give more damage than his beams... Is eclipse a channeling spell? Can I move the instance I cast it? What is the range?

@koolent2:
Eclipse isn't channeling, feel free to chase while under the effect. As for the AOE, I'd estimate around 450 at least... (anyone with exact value can add to this)

Imagine 2 enemies without creeps running away...then suddenly lich and luna appears and cast their ulti....OVERKILL!

^^^^^yes...but why would they..like you said. OVERKILL.

Thank you for your guide. I'm newbie and decided this character would be my choice. I like speedy characters that can hit and run. I didnt care to get the items at first, but now I have searched on all of them. This character owns creeps at late. I did a push alone with all the others nuking/anti-nuking and came up to the three and the others were too far away. GG

Hmm.nice one!

if getting eos,will it still able to stack with moon glaives???

hmm.. 1st comment here in the forums..

hmm.. to jizy.. ur build is good.. but try not to waste on agh.. it only adds to lucent beams.. not xur.. but i depend on damage on luna.. yes radiance is good.. then buriz.. if ur daring and the game is really really long.. opt for divine rapier then get an aegis.. there.. comment on this one. thanks..

i think EYE OF SCADI do work for her. the downside for that is its expensive if that will be ur first major item. what i usually put in priority building would be perseverance and then soulbooster as it will increase luna's mana regen and mana life and not to mention it also helps with her HP.

coz i would have to say that LUNA is basically dependent on her skills...

of course you could also probably build some natural damage items, you could choose e.g butterfly or MKB...

with regard to aghanim, i still think it's too expensive (2900 just for the scroll???). so id suggest for u guys to keep the soul booster for the moment. another downside for aghanim is that once u built it... you can no longer drop it!

so might as well invest on something less expensive but efficient items... refresher orb would be one good item to get though a bit expensive and complicated to build.

But i love the idea behind radiance... really good for farming...

and guys since the newer versions has new items in it-- why not try to use bloodstone -- or for longevity assault cultrass -- why not right???

one more thing, u can also give this a try in case ur enemies are the STR types u may get as an early item build blades of attack + chainmail = blademail

having this atleast u can return damage during the early goings, what do u guys think???

thanks!!!

nice strategy

@lordmacon
Good stuff there!

But Aegis was taken out a few versions ago O_O. Now you can only get Aegis from a huge,buff, piece of rock we call Roshan -_-. It doesn't even give armor anymore either....>:(

Doesn't Eye Of Skady have Orb Effect?? :D

@MeHigh_88:
Ranged Skadi is not an orb effect.

nice strategy..i oso admire using luna but to me wen it comes to late game,she wil b dffcult to kill enemy..while in d early game,hard to kill creep n get gold..ive used her n fight againts d davion knight i think,kinda dffcult to get near creep n kil dem 4 money..any guide 4 dat??

but wen my ulti is ready,ive killed 4 in 1 tym wit d help of my frens which is cool..i think luna is a great hero but dun reli knw how to fully use her n to stay owning til d late game..any tips 4 dat??

@cityguy_az:
Basically this guide is aiming to solve her late game problems by focusing on items that will help her become a very powerful DPS/pusher. Use your spells early to get the cash for battle items. That's also the reason why you're not going to see a scepter here. A hood of defiance will stifle the damage. I said Wraith bands early for more damage, helping your last hit. shouldn't have much problem with davion, he can't chase you unless he bought early boots, he's melee as well. If getting burned is a problem, bring some healing items along.

My build is something like Jizy but has agility boosting items as well
Start by
Wraith bands x 2
Perseverance-- ASAP
Soul Booster
Power Treads
Butterfly
Crystalys
Lothar's
Oblivion staff into Refresher
Crystalys to Burizado
Soul booster to Sceptre

Final Build:
Powertreads,Refresher,Sceptre,
Butterfly,Burizado,Lothar's

This guide is Pro ive won all my matches with luna nowhttp://www.dotastrategy.com/images/smileys/cool.gif
Cool

no u should farm for skadi as ur main item
luna is the hero that will max skadi's potential as the frost applies to all her galives, the decent hp boost and mana boost will also be of great benefit

JUST PUT AGHnim's!

@timelocker:
Uh... No. Thanks anyway.

This build sux, rly.

@Kubix:
Ahaha. No. Try phrasing it in 3 sentences next time, maybe someone will listen.

I have to say that i disagree with your use of luna. Luna is first and foremost a caster, so i think a better item build is ring of basilius, aghanims scepter, bloodstone, sheep stick. after you get all 4, or maybe just the first 3, sheep stick is optional, get either 2 butterfly's or a butterfly and a buriza.
Your build is good, and i should try luna as a pure attacker, but her ulti is so pure awesome, why not use it to its fullest? another build i have tried that works really well is boots of travel, aghanims, dagon, refresher, bloodstone, sheep stick. This works because you will have amazing regen from both sheep stick and bloodstone, and you can cast your ult, and dagon twice, killing even the tank-iest of heroes :P

@zoowarlord:
You are free to disagree, but do not dismiss the idea. If you wish to build on eclipse, feel free. But I do propose an alternative play style, the option is always open.

This was a pretty risky thing to do, but on a 1v1 i was vsing drow. I backstabbed her with a beam b4 the horn blew and started attacking her. she tried 2 run a way but i lucent beamed again and first blooded

Cool, but I think moon glaive should be upgraded early to make farming easier.

lucent beam
moon glaive
lucent beam
moon glaive
lucent beam
eclipse
lucent beam
moon glaive
moon glaive
lunar belssing
eclipse

and so on NICE ON THE BARIZA-do KYANON

HI! Nc Strat. But some say that luna may have item that has life steal. is it possible??

luna can have lifesteal so my build for her is
power treads
butterfly
satanic
burize
as core and either heart/rapier or both if the game drags on...

normally good guide.. but u as many mis one thing.. get lifesteal.. helm of the dominator + butterfly means take rosh lvl 14... u should try it^^

i recently found that i am godlike with luna. i go for treads then mekanism (saved my ass countless times) and then satanic. if game drags then i would get skadi or buriza or butterfly.

Items Sux. res is good

LLOL@GUY SAY GET SCEPTER. SCEPTER ARE HORRIBLE ON LUNA.

HAHAH

nice build dude i owned 12-0 when i played with ur item build ne 1 suggest an item for mana

WHY BKB? eclpise will not be interupted even if you are stunned/.

nice guide but hey if ur with an easier to kill melee hero or just for a bit of a nuke a glaive instead of stats would be nice becuase then it would atk the hero also nice to take down sum of his hp for a lucent beam ( i nvr played but noticed this because it happened to me lol )

My item build :

2 Wraith band.
Power treads.
Satanic.
Butterfly.
etc..
Its owns alot. Satanic = Imba with luna

mmmm the guide is good but not really how i would build =p 710

i think butterfly should come before radiance :P its wayyy better for kills and u can farm almost the same cuz of the +60 dmg and 60% attk speed

nice one!!!!

what about agranin?

@darksun:
If you read the comments, you will know that I am of the opinion that Aghanim's Scepter is unnecessary and a waste of money for Luna.

um i dont no about u all but every "good" luna i seen always got lifesteal first

@sly_: It's been some time ago since I made this, and I've been nunning the assumption then that all orb effects will screw up her attack. But I have seen lifsteal on her, and it works fine.

is using ur 600 gold in an apem 5v5 pub on consumables good? i mean if u solo top and nuke with clarities n stuff u shud be able to hold against even pro pushers.. just askin around

In Korea, they have a general ban on Techies, and prohibit picking Luna or Soulkeeper.

I used to scoff at this, but when I hosted games with none of the above rules, each and EVERY game with a decent Luna (butterfly/Satanic) went godlike. EVERY game. NO EXCEPTION. Therefore, I think this hero needs to be redesigned. There are simply no weaknesses.

no you really need first a manta style

it will really help for farming

also use your moon glaive for early farming

luna is the best hero man...!!!

haler.... hmmm... just want to put some words with ur guides.... on the item build.... of course butterfly is a must and the buriza looks cool as well, but the thing that i found unneccessary was the buriza... i think ur buriza could be the luxury item for luna, how aout replacing the lithars with a dagger? and how about adding a satanic instead of the heart... heart is good with its regen but lifesteal would be better for her because she already has a btfly ... btfly, satanic, and of course our buriza... but i think buriza should be a last choice istead built ether an mkb or a bkb,,, radiance too expensive and worthless at late game.... STRESS on the satanic though... high damage and fast AS faster life regen than heart.... only 150 hp gain difference between them anyway

pangit

@ migsdotaboys

ikaw ang pangit..hehehe

most powerfull!!!

oh my god!!! this is my 1 time i use this chrter but n i kill a lot chreter u know,,tht is amzing!!!!

YOU ONLY BOOST YOUR ATTACK AND HEALTH, BOOST YOUR ULTI!!!! BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF LUNA and get BOT...

Bad strategy

YOU ONLY BOOST YOUR ATTACK AND HEALTH, BOOST YOUR ULTI!!!! BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF LUNA and get BOT...

Bad strategy

.. 2 bands might be ok for start game.. for the last one that said about agh.. you MUSTNT do aghanim u waste 10 k gold or wtf is that for 300 damage?.. get a life .. and about bot.. he is right.. and make satanic, only orb item that works on her..NEVER GET LOTHAR, BUT DAGG (3800 g vs 2200)..2 bands boots -- helm of dom then butt and then sata and bot.. then buri and radi and hot..

and another thing.. the last comment that blackmamba about agh.. you are L O L...luna ulti enough to get kills in mid game and useless in late game... YOU WASTE 6 k gold FOR 300 DAMAGE +? L O L GET A LIFE WTF? BUTTERFLY >AGH AND IT COST 6200? + 200 and get it OMG?

give luna a mask of death and hel of iron will. she's unstoppable!

At the people who recommended lifesteal, do the bounces steal life as well? If they do, I think I'll have to do more testing and revamp later. I'm pretty busy nowadays...

the bounces wont give u lifesteal :)

hey guys... how would you fit a manta style in your build? I saw a luna with it once... she took down 5 heroes solo late game! SO impressive... if i remember correctly they also had butters...
so how about lothars early to survive (as you said! )
then butters
then manta style... thats if the ganme is long enough to get there!

eow nice item build but i think the moon glaive should be the one first when it comes to stats and lunar blessing. you can have more money with it... I think and with the new version of dota.. no need to put lucent beam for your eclipse.. its just powerful!!

bull shit!!! you suck too!! ur skill is very wrong!! items are not balance!!! this guide sucks!! this is already old!! for noob style!! nonsense!! gr... i think.satanic, butterfly,taras,radiance,cuirass and boots of travel is needed 4 this hero to succeed!!

actually.... u can arm luna with lifesteal.... with moon glaive, u don't even need tangos...

LUNA SHOULD BUY DAGON(MAXED) ULTI AND DAGON WOULD BE DEADLY IF USED CORRECTLY

WRONG VERY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i prefer not to have lucent beam instead.. learn moonglaive and lunars blessing instead.. have at least 4-6 vegies ang ironwood branches or wraithbands at early game and buy helm of dominator. you can easily farm when you have this item.. then secure enough gold to buy your next item. eaglehorn or maybe dagger perhaps! you also need to have a good amount of damage though..

this is my item biuld for luna:
1)statanic
2)butterfly
3)monkeybar
4)burizia
5)boots of travel
6)assault or hot
and u should own evryone

nc guide!

vote luna moonfang for goglike!!!

pde b sknya ung skadi??

i prefer satanic..

my lifesteal kc un each bounce eh..

jst my opinion..

nd better make him battle type..

psss u nid satanic and butterfly only

super guide i'm tryin it next game ^^

when im a pwning ownage its cool

this is my skill build for 6.49

my item buil for version 6.49:
power treads
butterfly
satanic
HOT
BKB
assault cuirass or divine rapier
skill build:
moon glaive
lunar blessing
moon glaive
lunar blessing
moon glaive
eclipse
moon glaive
lunar blessing
lunar blessing
stats
eclipse
stats
stats
stats
stats
eclipse
stats
stats
stats
stats
stats
lucent
lucent
lucent
lucent
godlike mode

hmmmm.... i dont like the build up items on luna moonfang...
I suggest
1.Satanic
2.Butterfly
3.Aghanim's Scepter
4.Assualt Cuirass
5.Boots Of Travel
6.Divine Rapier
Try that Build... it OWNS!!!

u always make good guides quick brown fox

always helps me own

i prefer the glaive build.

starters 2 wraith bands, threads

helm of dominator then build butterfly next, after that buy messerschmidts reaver make a satanic chain, then either buy another butterfly or buy blade mail lvl 5, or a radiance perhaps.

level up the glaives and lucent beams at first coz in 6.50 they nerfed luna's eclipse, if both are full increase your attributes or add at least 2 levels on lunar blessing, damn your officially thefirst placer and best money maker in the line up.

I like butterfly. It shouldnt be an optional item. If you cant farm in the game, just get bands and a butterfly. You'll have godly damage with radience

coolman

Don't you use satanic?The moon glave is supreme with satanic!it is the best!

Try this build =P, IT WORKS.
-Satanic
-Eye of Skadi
-Butterfly
-Heart
-Manta Style
-Boots of Travel.

Great build!. Try it in single player if you think it doesn't work. (Only lifesteal works, Eye is just there for stats, and the Manta is for GODLY illusions) Try it! (:

Oops! I mean,

-Satanic
-Eye of Skadi
-Butterfly
-Aghanim`s Scepter
-Manta Style
-Boots of Travel.

@ Stealth403
yeah the build works, but during a proper game, isnt it a waste of money? EOS for stats? ROFL!

pls dun ever build eclipse before ur lucent beam got lvl 4.moon is almost useless cauz now ppl already got black king bar or invinsibility item that can make ur ulti completely useless Bfore u get ur 100% power.less use luna except ur opponent is really noob........

ehhh it eye of skadi not eyo of skadi

quickbrownfox, any plan for a new strategy?

my build:
powertreads
helm of dominator
butterfly
hyperstone

> max moon glaive early

try this and enjoy playing
-if u'r enemy is a magic user
1.a satanic
2.a BKB
3.3 Butter
4.Treads
-if u'r enemy is a stealther
1.MoM(used for fast hunting gold)
2.Lothar
3.gem
4.Treads
when the stealth enemy appear,use lothar then u'r eclipse + beam,u'r enemy die
-this the best build if u'r enemy not in catogeries above
1.a satanic
2.4 butter
3.treads
the best item i know to fight (at least) 3 enemies at once.

This One Is Good But Can You Make It Better

thank you for giving a strategy for my favorite hero.... jorge nelson

um i think you shol put satanic for life steal

It's annoying how players who just came off 1v1 games come and shoot their mouths off, suggesting builds that are impossible (unless you last hit every single last creep along with all the towers...oh and kill your opponents 20 times over).

quickbrownfox@ With the new nerf to Kelen's I doubt you will still include it in your item list. Your skill build suggests that you'll probably go for a kill at level 6-8 with Eclipse; looking at your item build you'll switch strategy to DPS after mid game.

But you don't seem to have enough ASP- it almost seems like you're caught in between two builds.

I totally agree with not going for Aghanim's though- by the time you get it most heroes would be able to survive Eclipse + 1 or 2 LB. I find myself having to backdoor to set myself up with the Aghanim build, which of course isn't nice at all.

Since you obviously have more experience, what do you think about using refresher?

nice 1, this will help me a lot on my gaming strategy