Axe the greedy noob

LOL i liked that OBJECTION part the most!!! its from a attorney game i think? i played that on some device before maybe psp? anyways good guide. just maybe add in the technique to use the battle hunger which is to use when the enemy is backing off or when he only has a few creeps left or basically in any situation that he probably can't get a creep kill because battle hunger really hurts. if not canceled it can damage heroes a total of 625 damage ( without natural hero resistance).

LMAO so... this is a mainly defensive Axe ? might help and ensure survival o.o Lols... but.. is there a guarantee that this build could do more than just a kill against PA O.o lols good guide anyways

-cheers ^^

gr8
i like every thing
beside skill build just switch
helih and Berserker`s Call
every thing else is same as my build
so 9,5/10

10/10!

I wrote an Axe-guide too, but aproval.. eh yea..
Your guide is great, u don't ignore POWER hunger :D and i agree with ur items by 100%.

Wow... This has to be the most greedy style of using Axe I have ever seen... Still, it works... Try putting 6 Vanguards and you can go nuts with being greedy!
kidding hehehe

Just 10 minutes of using your guide in dota... ah... first blood ^^ now I really see the point of stouts and your style... realy realy good job making this guide man ^^

Just 10 minutes of using your guide in dota... ah... first blood ^^ now I really see the point of stouts and your style... realy realy good job making this guide man ^^

love da objection part dude

I liked the guide but..

Fwii, have pity on dial up users like me. The answers to the questions took ages to load lol.

XD

y helix after beserker call.
i thought it was good

Lol that objection thing is great. I wouldn't've recognised it if I hadn't seen your avatar. Hmmm I need to sleep and theres not quite enough comments for me to make a suitable guess (yes, guess) at a rating. So I'll get back to you.

AHhaahahha.Nice strat again fwii~!Congrats!10/10

thnx for this guid i rly learn alot from it i have one question how can i get these items in 5 v 5??

and i 4get congratulations 10/10

@Yuki
Lol sorry for that I was having fun with the objection site then. My apologies to all the other Dial-up users aswell.

@d Slayer

Well all I can say is farm alot(KSing alot helps aswell), Most games usually end with Vangurd and Blink very rarely do I reach a point where I get 2 or more hearts.

yay 16th to coment..lol

fwii can u answer my new forum??

fwii can u answer my new forum??

Smoothie! Nice Strat!
Funny Visuals.. ^_^

lol ur funny...

sorry for double post... i give u 10/10

thnx fwii best guide ever i tried a 5 v 5 game and ower team had own them i was axe and i bought all u said i owned

Wow dude great guide but I already know about this strat and I use it as much as possible. Its a 10/10 for me.

well this isnt so weird for axe, i thought you were gonna be totally crazy ... lol. but yea best build for axe the one i use all the time...10/10

Same item build as me.
But sometimes is good to put some bracers early.. mana and dex helps much in early game killing.
But you absolutelly understand how to play with Axe. Good job Axe pro!

Sorry Fwii~ i didnt like this strat as much as silencer strat. What is axe supposed to do lategame? just soke up damage and hope to get a ks?

It's like i wrote this guide myself omg. I tell my buddies the exact same thing when they get Axe and play him just like u. I love u man:D. Except that I don't get Battle Hunger when playing vs skilled players.

This is one of the best, strangest and funniest guides I've ever read!! 10/10
GJ

@got milk
Late game Axe sole usefulness for the team is Berzerker's call. It soaks damage for the rather fragile damage dealer's like Clinx and yeah that's basically it. Take note Berzerker's call can be used to stop channeling spells.

@Bruno_89

When I'm up against skilled players I time battle hunger differently I cast it when there are no creeps to last hit or deny. Even pro players can't do anything about that except use a tangoo.

curseeeee you!!! i was just haftway done with these guide till i saw a lil red orc in the strategy section. oh well pretty much the same guide like mine. oh also, if you have time i wouldnt mind you considering Mjllnir. It synergiez with berserkers call perfectly. Items for a late late game. besides all that good work.

oh btw, in the conclusion "question and answer" part. there is only questions but no answer. well there is a word "my answer" but there is isnt anything besides that.

can i get blaidmail? and does hyperstone helps helix?

10/10

@nightfogs
Click the my answer link lol. BTW mojollier is horrible considering your paying 7k just for the static, I'd rather have an ally cast it on me instead since alot of people are getting mojollier now these days.

@Korokoro
Blade mail is situational get it if there is a melee damage dealer otherwise it's a waste of money. Hyperstone won't help you trigger helix you need more opponents attacking you to help you trigger more helixes.

I agree with comment 35 especially.

Now, not sleepy... hmmm, thats practically the build I use, the main reason being that Helix skill point only add 25 damage per level - what a waste, yes? Battle Hunger can get easy kills early, so get that early.

One of my friends plays Axe and this build is very different, but I honestly don't know how to play Axe very well (best I can do is in a 1v1 against a melee hero who has picked shitty items - sad).

Guide itself, short and to the point with good screenies and of course the OBJECTION which as mentioned is great lol. For a tiny tiny guide it actually gets everything across that needs to be discussed. Wow thats harder than you know. Annnyway I say 10/10.

lol sif no battle fury
who uses battle fury anyway i mean pssh helix kills a creep wave in seconds when you don't attack
interesting with lvl 1 helix until 12 but i suppose the damage increase isn't too much and it takes the coin tossing out of call/hunger

I do object the essence of this guide but i do feel the early game strategy was pretty effective and interesting. I usually go for battle fury, BoT, Basher and Assualt Cuirass. The extra damage, regens and farming from battlefury makes him balanced. Usually i'd win before even getting HoT...

Unique indeed

But somehow i felt a little bit pity on your video . Flame heated up there by the viewer

@gtjevons
Battlefury - gives you 3 things you don't need which are HP regen(You already have vanguard what more do you need), Damage(Since when is Axe's normal attack better than Helix?), Cleave (You can already clear off a creep wave in 2 seconds with helix what more can you want?). Honestly the only thing Battlefury gives that is a bit useful to axe is the mana regen which a void stone can already suffice.

Basher - Helix interrupts your normal attacks making it alot harder to permabash that it already is.

Assault Cuirass - Honestly all that attack speed will go to waste since Axe will pause every 2 seconds because of helix.

if sand king uses his first skill then the ulti how can i stop him?? note (stun 2 sec and casting time 2 sec)

My build - stout shield, tango x 2 gauntlet, ring of health, vitality booster, boots of speed, persevrance, claymore, hammer, BoT, hyperstone, hammer, basher, assualt, reaver, vitality, heart.

the objection vids sucks.... i was sleepy when i opened it and suddenly...OBJECTION!!!.bah,hit my head on the wall.greta strt though 10/10

phew same thing happen too during the OBJECTION part, lol. Anyways, love this strat focusing on mid game. But i cant really think of the same method of doing anything in late game other than pushing like really really fast on creeps.

your early game strat (3x stout) will only work against a noob team with mortred, sniper, faceless void, troll in their lineup.
your axe will easily die against casters.

so im suggesting that you change the main build to bracers, and only get stouts when facing non-caster heroes.

also, im not a fan of battle hunger. i can classify all heroes in three groups: those with aoe spells, those with arrow-type spells(spells used in orb walking), and others. my point is, 2 out of three groups can easily remove battle hunger, and actually, most heroes used fall in these two groups.

in summary, your play style is really great in pubs, but not good against better players/"organized" team.

@Eyefury
Of course it's focused on pubs since Axe is mostly a pub hero after all but in more serious games I'd skip massing stouts and aim for Blink/Vanguard ASAP.

WOw same build same a little bit off my style but hell 10/10

was that really vikifanatic you killed =) OMG fwii~ the DS member killer


The answers took so long to load Im a dial up user heck 52 Kpbs thats why i play outside....



Anyways....a lvl 1 Helix??? until 12 hmm dont know if i can live with that though.....gonna try testing your build after the test

since im still currently interested with 5 heroes well mostly 3

Mirana,Morphling And techies

When we improve axe armor did we also improve magic reduction?

OBJECTION!!!!!!!!! FWI!!!! nice strat
and video 10/10

LOL, an Axe guide. I also wondered why "pro" players didn't see how incredible Hunger is early game. I've gotten 4-0 before 5 minutes against decent players with Hunger and Helix...and then I read guides that say Hunger is useless and die ROFL...

I only have one thing to add to this guide: Radiance. I don't know exactly where it can fit into your build - it's already pretty good, but Radiance is great on Axe. I usually get it after the 1st HoT.

Anyway, great guide, 9.5 outta 10.

@eyefury:

Actually, if timed correctly, Hunger can kill the first two groups too. Approach and hunger a Witch Docter right after he casts Casks, and you shoo him away. Against arrows, Hunger when there is nothing to kill/deny. Viper is tough yes, but with stouts, you absorb even his damage enough to shoo him away too. Once shooed, you kill/deny everything they can get at, and more importantly, deny them not only of gold, but also exp too. Harder to do against tougher heroes, but Hunger generally can turn even tanks into wimpy little fodder dudes with little problem. Level 4 Hunger does 625 damage...that is enough to severely cripple any hero, if properly shooed.

BTW, this is meant to be effective before level 7-8 or so. Basically, it is your tool to establish total lane dominance, and keep your enemies "hungry"...

let me ask this question:
how are you going to cast hunger on a hero who only shows up when there is something to last hit/deny?

Why don't you just buy some Blade Mail instead of Plate Mail??

I've never massed more than one item that gives a percent before, i'm gonna try that soon. For me i used to go for vangaurd for the same reasons as you, a linkin for extra regen and the spell reflect skill it has, BoT, blademail for melees, hood of defience for nukers. Then just HoT's.

Overall i would give it a 9.4/10

Rofl, Obejection! The reason.... Pheonix Wright's evil nemesis guy.

@eyefury

I tried going battlehunger on a decent player (a former clanmate of mine) and although his hero only showed up for last hits and denies he still stays within vision range. I cast it on him as soon as he finishes last hitting or denying the last possible creep in the wave which forces him to waste a tangoo.

Before I used to hate battle hunger. I hated it to death but after the recent battle hunger damage buff I realized it's potential to score more early game kills.

You didn't explain the purpose of blink dagger.

Blink dagger is for good positioning of B. call, like brad's hoof stomp. It's also used to get close to enemies for the short-range culling blade.

And for those who think this is only for pubs, greedy noob-style IS meant for pubs

i still cannot see its effectiveness against decent players, but i think its worth a try.

hunger is the best early first blood tactic, but i would use it wisely. because you dont have enough mana pool and the probality of you using it will be only twice. unless you have some mana regen item with you.

btw, im not sure but i think leviathan's kraken shell halves this skill. can anyone make sure, it was one of those night when i was haft asleep playing dota.

o_O I don't know about u guys but for my favorite heroes I can pretty good predict how much damage I can absorbe without killing a mob. Would be hard to kill me with hunger alone. Even If I had to run all the time to fontana.

But to try to hit an enemy that is blocked by atleast 3 creeps is just to tempting :D

Maybe I would know it, but would still attack Axe ...

OT: have you noticed the helix proc rate when neutral creeping? it's much higher when facing golems compared to wolves. makes me wonder about if it procs more as the damage per attack goes up.

Hate to say it.....People on You tube are getting cranky on your video....

"mathspros" (1 week ago) Marked as spam
Let's 1 on 1 with me using axe. berserker is a good skill, but u didnt seem to use it. use berserker to increase chances of helix.

Lol what a total noob it depends on how many creeps or enemies you have to activate helix he assumes using Berserkers instantly gives you a lot of helixes


utotutotan (1 week ago) Marked as spam
And one more thing, you're a coward because you already bought 3 stouts. One stout is enough for Axe...


fwii~ a coward Lol...the posts on you tube makes me laugh he assumes you being a coward for buying 3 Stouts...

Dude 3 stouts stack unlike 2 vanguard there are a lot more people worst than that BURIZA ON MORTRED or 2 Hodefiance or....My favorite Lothars on CLinks


I do agree with his other post bracers on axe would still be nice if your too much harassed but what the heck your gonna get vangaurd so its not really needed.


fwii~ you got to talk to them....there berserk....^^

nice!!!i'll try it at home.(i'm in the school now T_T)

@eyefury

I think fwii explained it quite well. Hunger casting range is enormous, and the enemies need to stay within vision in order to gain experience. With Hunger, you can keep them so far away as to not only deny them gold, but even experience from creeps if you are aggressive enough. This is crippling beyond what nearly any other hero can do. Berzerker's call by comparison is a very weak alternative. The only drawback is that you will probably need an enormous amount of trees, and will absolutely need the ring of health as early as possible.

The main reason such aggressive tactics work is that your normal attack is about the same as theirs, you have stouts, and Helix damage on top of everything, so you can continue to chase well beyond the creep line if you so choose. A normal player reaction is also to run to the next wave of creeps to augment damage, but this actually plays in your favor, further denying them of any early game effectiveness, save extreme tower hugging.

Before you get the ultimate, Hunger has huge potential to be a finisher. Once you get the ultimate, Hunger can easily get the enemy into the HP range of Culling with just one cast and a lot of aggression.

Please note that after mid game, Hunger becomes nearly useless, but up to then, I've found that it, along with Helix, can establish lane control far better than any other hero in the game. It can force Zeus to do something like lightning bolt a creep even, just to get it off, which plays very much in your favor.

Here's another Hunger scenario:

Imagine you're on Scourge, top lane, and the Sent hero(es) are approaching the first tower. Notice the awkward angle you can come out from, without them getting vision of you...simply right click on the enemy hero, and wait for him to flee. Once they do, THEN cast Hunger, and keep them away. At level 3 Hunger, this is an automatic 400 damage over time to your opponent, on top of the damage you did in the initial engagement.

Another thing with Hunger is that now it has a tiny tiny cooldown right next to that gigantic duration. So you could actually use this on both enemies at the same time...

@ stoyo comment 62 = more wolves, plus wolves attack faster. Go figure? I don't know for sure (ie haven't played Axe in ages and can't remember, sue me) if Helix even damages Golems.

I am amazed at two things right now: One, all the reeeally dumb comments and builds I'm seeing that were most DEFINITELY addressed in the guide; and Two, the huge huge huge amount of comments in a very short timeframe. I mean, this already has more than the previous guide in about a fifth of the time, not saying anything about either guide... its a bit odd isn't it.

@ stoyo comment 62 = disregard previous comment, I screwed up - it does not make sense and I switched what you said. What you actually said... that makes absolutely no sense. (o0)

Excuse the double post.

wow.. again nice guide fwii.. total ownage.. few damage to axe and I still did a triple kill.. tnx to ur 3 stout shield build.. I also tried ur nortrom and rooftrellen.. and again..ownage.. nice screenshots for us to understand better

*** syllabear I mean, I was sleepy and I am reading a rooftrellen guide on the other tab.. ice work though.. keep it up.. looking forward for more guides

Ice work??? .perhaps you'll have to get a good healthy sleep!

Nice. I'm new to this Dota game but my cousin plays very good at this and he uses the same strat. he fought a priestess(the one riding a tiger). he was lvl 6, had about less than 1/4 hp left and only 1 range creep left while the priestess was lvl 5, had full hp, 4 melee creeps and 1 range creep. i was gonna say to him to go back and heal but he attacked the priestess. 1 sec later... FIRST BLOOD!!! I was stunned. Axe is a monster.

Why not Satanic????

LOL y no heart of tarrasque?

Lolz.There are 2 hearts if you havn't noticed...

absoludely a bad guide......i followed this guide and i got killed like chickens

Great strategy men, I also thought of Cuirass but then you're right!, just settle for a Plate Mail.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Where do you get the objection!?

a really simple,cheap(items) yet effective guide.good job..

i am a axe user...
i also use this skill uh...
very efficient...

great lor

Just a quick question, is it more effective to go vangaurd first or blink first?

Oh, and also, would HoD/bracers be an optional item to shields if you're against nukers?

Nice video and good strat 10/10

cool!!! ur better than i thought,.. now let me try ur strat..hehe... yoh!! make more strat.. like other new type hero templar assisin...

lol, i liked objection

I really liked this strat. Works very well. Blink is totally necessary with axe to pull off a dominating streak. thanks alot!

Entertaining guide. The objection part is cool coz of the flash, was that a flash animated presentation? Oh i think it's .gif for the anime man. I'm gonna have to try the guide first..

i play axe like this too, except sometimes with a blademail. My team never seems to like how I play axe though, because some of my kills were suicide. But yeah axe with stouts isn't new =p gj.

great guide! awesome way of playin axe..

10/10

ok good strat

nice strat, dude


full points

Great guide!
Something about late game: lots of characters in the game are DPS based, so if they hit you fast, they are gonna get helixed like hell...
I owned a Bristleback last week using Axe... The faster they are, the better it is.

hey fwi i got a question man if you buy 4 stout shield will the creeps will damage no more i try your strat with 3 stout the creeps still can damage me but when i buy vanguard with 2 stout they dont damage no more but with 4?

Regarding stout shields 4 stack but buying 4 is already way too much a vanguard gives almost as much block as 3 stouts.

waw.. nice strat, and the item build, no comment on that

i like the images bcoz it help us newbie understand what moves we should do..

i like your video ^_^

amazing..

post more videos at youtube..

imma subscribe..

this is silent_yet_deadly btw

Cool guide man... 9/10 (greedy huh?)

Lol on the objection part. I spent 30 seconds loading time per video just to get 2 sentences for the answer.

XD

I know that battlefury is not suggested in this guide. The problem I have is that helix sometimes just does not output enough damage with this build... I mean not very much damage is allotted through this item build (which might i mention i followed).

Any solutions?

excellent strategy...i completely agree with u! cheers!

Quote: "Be greedy and take risks, don't be afraid"


Very Impressive.

Good Guide

u rock man..... the objection thingy nice the guide is funny, useful, n more funny, n more useful 10/10

This is actually a good guide but i think you need to note on something...

On the first part of the game and maybe even on the middle, you need something for regeneration... Even though you have a lot of stout shields, you can still lose a lot of life (by being harrassed by nukers or just by being attacked always). This (regeneration item) will also help a lot when you use berserker's call because even with a bonus armor, you still need to regain quick... It can also cut the usual going back on the fountain.

In other words, add a ring of regeneration on early and middle game because you can only get the regeneration you need on the late game with the heart.

Well, this is just a suggestion...

Good strategy,but i rather use SaY to get closer an enemy than Blink.Then i guggest Radiance as a good item for him.Axe is one of my favorite heroes,I usualy affect the enemy by Hunger,then BC.When enemy still lives so follow him with Raddiance+Hunger (it nice hursts him) until he is below 625 then ultimate If his hp is still too hight,then get youself as close as to attract him back with BC and give him hard hurts ending by your ulti.

Is Mask of Madness good for Axe ?
I mean the life steal .. does it steal the life when he helix ?

@freebuilder
no it doesn't

if enemy has more melee hero,
i would like to recomment the BLADE MAIL,
what a IMBA item in dota,
every melee hero who see the axe wif counter helix and both BLADE MAIL,
they dont even dare to hit u...
20%return dmg +counter helix 150 dmg,
PERFECT dmg output...

good guide....i odnt know why you need kellens....other than that good guide..

8/10

Thanks for sharing This great strategy

To answer some of the questions:
@BoundByDark
This is where battle hunger or culling blade comes in. It helps finish off an weak enemy hero, blink will also help alot, you can simply blink in front of the fleeing enemy and cast call.

@auron11googie
I rarely get RoR now a days since I find tangooes to suffiece for regen

@HardReality
Blink is alot better IMO. If you slowly walk in a group of enemies they'll problably run.

@kopite
My fault for not explaining the function of kelens. Blink can turn berzerker's call into a powerful disable. Simply blink in to a group of heroes and cast call while your allies beat the hell out of them

addition to fwii~'s answer about kelen's :

it also doubles as an escape mechanism since axe has NO escape mechanism of his own, plus, he has low MS.

yes, axe doesn't die easily, but you won't know when you will need that blink to escape right? saves your butt lots of times..

3 stout shields! go to read DA forum newbie section before making a strategy.

Good Guide man,exactly what i do battle hunger and rush for the kill, but u dont mention Blade Mail nor Radiance, witch both are good itens for axe 2.

nice work

Still confuse on whats better early game


Berserks call or Hunger...Hunger is useless in late game...


hmmm any help here.....im just confused

Ive been seperating the builds in 2

Greedy Axe=Hunger build

and Defensive Offensive Axe=berserkers call


The item build is still the same for both of them its just the Skill build help guys...

Why do you turn the aura off of the Basilius??

Powerfull hero and NoobFace

Turn off basilus aura to utilize pure armor

You're such a noob.. let's play Mirror Match and see which Axe build is better. Haha.. You really think you can make 2 Heart of Tarrasques with that build-up? I don't think so. So STOOOOPID. Though some of the things you wrote are correct, your build will only survive 1 on 1 versus pros. Also, if you act like such a greedy noob, you'll really die easily. Try pitting Axe with Troll Warlord and Kardel, you'll be seeing stars. And WRONG, the "MORE ENEMIES, THE BETTER" phrase is just wrong. What if your enemies are all ranged? Is it still better to go hero killing with 3-5 enemies? I think your guide is VERY useful, FOR NOOBS. Also, putting on counter Helix in mid game is stupid. it's better in early game dumbass.

y not get him some blademail to dmage attackers further

It's a good guide, we have the exact item build at the beginning and at the end, except sometimes when gold is hard i settle for power treads instead of BoT, and i get Heart before kelens dagger.

if we play axe similarly, (i assume we do)you save for the dagger after completing your first vanguard. i opt for heart first because axe still doesnt have a high enough mana pool, and i need the HP and regen bonus from heart.

dont be TOO greedy, although i must admit axe is more macho than others, he attacks when others run.

TO k528462113:
i think what he meant by "more enemies the better" is that more CREEPS the better, not exactly heroes. rushing in with more enemy heroes is suicide.

maxing hunger first is right, late game its not that damaging, but still useful for runners, so max it early. axe can really kill others using BH,. others say the opponent can just kill a creep to cancel, well it's not that simple to get a last hit.this is the plan on how to harass using hunger: cast hunger, then click on enemy. creeps will attack you, triggering some helixes. enemy tries to last hit on creep, but thing is it's not that easy when axe keeps whacking enemy, creeps are attacking axe and triggering helixes, and the more helixes triggered, the kills go to axe. ive proven this and before others comment against this, try it for yourself. early game even at LVL2 with just helix and BH this is effective.just make sure to have the 3 stout shields, u really almost dont take any damage from creeps!

i dont agree with getting helix late, my skill build is
1.HELIX
2.HUNGER
3.BERSERKER
4.HUNGER
5.HUNGER
6.CULLING
7.HUNGER
8.BERSERKER
9.HELIX
10.BERSERKER
11.CULLING
12.HELIX
13.BERSERKER
14.HELIX
15,17-25.STATS (CULLING at 16)

It's a good guide, we have the exact item build at the beginning and at the end, except sometimes when gold is hard i settle for power treads instead of BoT, and i get Heart before kelens dagger.

if we play axe similarly, (i assume we do)you save for the dagger after completing your first vanguard. i opt for heart first because axe still doesnt have a high enough mana pool, and i need the HP and regen bonus from heart.

dont be TOO greedy, although i must admit axe is more macho than others, he attacks when others run.

TO k528462113:
i think what he meant by "more enemies the better" is that more CREEPS the better, not exactly heroes. rushing in with more enemy heroes is suicide.

maxing hunger first is right, late game its not that damaging, but still useful for runners, so max it early. axe can really kill others using BH,. others say the opponent can just kill a creep to cancel, well it's not that simple to get a last hit.this is the plan on how to harass using hunger: cast hunger, then click on enemy. creeps will attack you, triggering some helixes. enemy tries to last hit on creep, but thing is it's not that easy when axe keeps whacking enemy, creeps are attacking axe and triggering helixes, and the more helixes triggered, the kills go to axe. ive proven this and before others comment against this, try it for yourself. early game even at LVL2 with just helix and BH this is effective.just make sure to have the 3 stout shields, u really almost dont take any damage from creeps!

i dont agree with getting helix late, my skill build is
1.HELIX
2.HUNGER
3.BERSERKER
4.HUNGER
5.HUNGER
6.CULLING
7.HUNGER
8.BERSERKER
9.HELIX
10.BERSERKER
11.CULLING
12.HELIX
13.BERSERKER
14.HELIX
15,17-25.STATS (CULLING at 16)

dont buy any damage items for axe. fwii's item build is already the best, upgrade plate mail to assault if game goes longer. tank axe is the best build, no damage or lifesteal items please. some heroes you should never challenge 1 vs 1 :
centaur warchief
pudge
leviathan
ogre magi
these have higher HP than you, and really tough. axe is great against agi and int heroes, a kill in no time.
good guide, 9.5/10!

ufaaa buenisimo muy interesante

great guild

I really have to emphasize radiance on Axe. Late game, he's kinda not very useful except for the blink call, but if you do eventually get Assault (the armor is a good call), Radiance will give enough DPS to make it not a complete waste of money.

Also, Radiance, well, is a great item.

lol try object my question...
1st why no blademail?ot give you armor and 20% return dmg!!!

hey would satanic be good for him?

lol good 1 i think

@k528462113
another one of those random-typing names who lurk around. Ranged heroes, blink near them and use call or just run near them. Besides, you've got damage block, and you've got a brain right? Use it, who would run into a bunch of heroes without allies. And greedy-noob style is not necessarily suiciding yourself into 5 heroes, its attracting attention and attacks to make helix more effective.

hoy

The thing is, I play my Axe PRECISELY as you do except for one thing and that is the Battlefury. I think its nice to have the extra damage to put them down quicker especially when its a gank and they are running. The zerkers and Kelens is nice.... but i prefer the dmg with kelens AND zerkers...
Unnecessary? Possibly

I believe 2 stout shields are enough

Pretty mean for vicifanatic

damn nice strategy man what a video i used this hero too but only once

THE BEST HERO EVER ! SO STRONG ! OMG

i think you can still use cuirass.. after all u can have all the money to achieve it. Unfortunately, I guess the game will be over before u have it...

that is because its the last thing u that u will doing after all the other items that u need have been bought.

Axe is soooo good someone ought to invent a new adjective into the English dictionary, such as Axe = Legendary

Objection! Creative use of Phoenix Wright(was it?)

Humorous.

Is battle hunger cancelled is someone denies their own creep?

3 stoutshields is amazing idea on early game ... i like that

ur right ! they dont know how 2 use dis hero they are the true noOb why Mjolnir? he's not an agi type. why 2 vanguard ? 1 is enough 4 him. why battlefurry? the chance of helix become smaller. but why don't you put some radiance its goOd! try.

yeah !!! axe is a good tanker and the helix is very irritating enemies and specially culling blade !!!

I think Axe can use an upgrade to help late game - make it so that every time helix goes off, the attack that caused it to do so is either negated or reduced by 1/2. Because, late game, Axe is nothing more than a big, red, emo dude.

Besides, just look at the skill description:

"Mogul Kahn counters some blows made to him by taking the attacking unit and swinging it around violently, dealing damage to all nearby enemy units."

stout shields don't stack, as do vanguards. if you get two stout shields, the damage block is still 30, but the chance is 80%. if you get two vanguards, the damage bock would not be 70, but 35, but the chances of it blocking would be 130%(65x2 for those mathematically illeterate).

hw bout blade mail against melle heroes?

hw bout blade mail against melle heroes?

I demand you make more guides.
It's a solid guide, which most people use anyway.

Even though im not that type of player to ks.

WUTANG!

I tried this build but unluckily, I was facing bane elemental...

can someone explain me, how 3 stout shields work? do you have 120 percent chance to block 30 dmg?

Kool Guide. I liked it

good, now im a greedy boy eversince...

Great guide.

Thanks for sharing

Rating 10/10

Very nice strat. Axe is my fave hero and i give this strat a perfect(especially the items). However, for the skill, i usually max out counter helix and berserkers first. with this you be a killing machine(as well as a tank) but i guess people play axe differently nice strat in all!

This is a lucky axe. only relies on counter helix. and who told you that counter helix cancels axe's attack!? it only cancels axe's attack ANIMATION.

Great strat but can someone please explain to me how do the 3 shields stack?
Is it 120% to block 30 damage, and if it is, why not just get 2 shields which already boasts 80% which i feel should be enough already?

Other than that, i feel it's a great guide 10/10 from me.

Well, since Axe really depends on his Counter Helix with melee opponents what is ur item build for copiers like Nagasiren, Chaos Knight and Azwraith,u will be doomed becoz ur outnumbered....
And i was defeated by Ursa Warrior using only radiance to improve his damage. I already have 2 vanguards and
one reaver....... I can't stand a chance with him...my goodness can u advice other alternative item build??

why not radiance...it helps in redusing the heros HP......

I go with Vanguard, 2 HoT, BoT, Assault Cuirass, Satanic for my end game items...(If it goes very late game, but even so, Axe is a very good farmer.) You'll pretty much own with these, if you could get them all.

I like the guide, but one suggestion might be to upgrade the ring of basilius into Vlad's if you have a lot of melee on your team.

My Question.

If Very Very Late game. What is the best item build?

How about satanic? increase health and lifesteal.. how about 3 heart and replace that van guard?..

Dude. your guide just made me a 19-3 axe. I was playing with pretty good people who denied alot AND got good items and know when to back out and stuff. This guide is great. 10/10 and a Thumbs UP!!

cool

there is one way to play axe : jungling.

oh and stop masturbating on some good guides for pubs , when i see this :

Posted by Fractured
2007-09-14
Dude. your guide just made me a 19-3 axe. I was playing with pretty good people who denied alot AND got good items and know when to back out and stuff. This guide is great. 10/10 and a Thumbs UP!!

I just laugh , GG MAN UR PRO U MADE 19/3 IN UB WAOW

i really like your stratagy guide its the favorite one ive read. i like how u play as a team player to go die for them and the objection thing is cool. i like how u show the aoe of call. and i dint think to attack with enemy creeps thanx a lot 10/10

Hehe, my only comment is that you work on your spelling.
But seriously, nice guide

10/10

I agree for assault cuirass, gives +5
armor to alies, and -5 armor for enemies.
By the way great strategy. I tried it and it worked fine. I added black kings bar instead of dager of escape.

wow great guide.
question about blademails?? whats ur opinion on them??

but why turn of devotion aura ?

I jungle with Axe in more serious games and yes Axe has a great jungling potential I usually get bottle after stouts when I jungle with Axe.

I turn of devotion aura because I want my creeps to die faster that way noob pub players will try to attack me thinking the fight is to their advantage.

I get blademail only if they have plenty of melee DPS.

yo man , just wanna tell y , that u've a great strategy , but I think that u should get "sange&yasha" ,

hmm still confused about on how to playa axe


getting hunger first is a little bit....unsafe for me


Helix, call is a little bit better though....it does not work for expirience players but anyways im still trying it at so i can get how to kill with it early

noobs wont believe you,only masters!

hmmmmm.... Good build, but being a tank for me sucks. and your guide just tells about axe being a tank not much on killing. I agree on your early and mid game strat but your late game strat stinkzzzz. But its a good job thnx. 7/10

axe is god

i get 1 stout and 2 tangos, then solo top or bot, and get a second stout. i then can feel free to attack the other hero (letting creeps trigger helix). i then hunger once they run, and they always die. i also reccomend getting a pot (only 700 gold, you can make the opponent b, and you stay farming). and the guy that wrote this is an idiot. you get boots after stouts. u cant kill shit with his ult if u cant run to them. overall, vanguard + armor + hood = instant victory for you team, tho you wont be beyond godlike.

hey,

i used your guide against my friend who was using the tide hunter, i bought all the items you suggested and used all the skills you told me to use... I was ok at the beginning but later on Axe started to suck.. he is ok for low levels but once your level 15+ you cant do much with 175 spin every so often when the others hit you 500 dmg + per hit lol. so i was just wondering what i was doing wrong.

After a year I found a good strategy! .Every one is thinking this guide rocks!!!! I think to, but.... need a little more things in this guide.
But still a good guide!!!!

Now i know y ppl likes axe so much... HE IS MY no.1 HERO IN MY LIST!!
btw.. does berserker call cancel off sandking epic center.. i hate to fight sandking man.. i never fight sandking with dearfull axe before.. do reply pls

one more thing... if sandking uses bkb and become avatar during his epic center, will berserkercall effect epic center during avatar??

@aussie2000
Your problably playing 1 vs 1. I wrote this with 3 vs 3 - 5 vs 5 in mind.

@nishika
Yes Berzerker's call will stop epicenter channeling but it won't stop it if sand king has a BKB.

oh ok thanks...

but anyway, i played 5 against 5 later on... and i got first blood and a tripple kill at level 1 they were in center... i was alone in center... 2 stouts, 1 boots of speed... i had counter helix on... i ran into center... enemies where zeus, rikimaru and juggernaut... lol i owned them.. they tried to kill me but thanks to stouts i lived... they tried to run and at that moment i did a spin and pough!!! 100 damage on all triple kill :D im gonna post the video on youtube its monster cool... all thanks to this guide

WOW... ok den. i will sell away 1 of da stout, and buy MKB.. YES!!
Btw fwii.. im usually playing 2v2 or 1v1. thats when i sell the stout shield and buy damaging item. Thanks to all ur strat... i never lose when using axe even on 3v1 game... im OWNING. i vs sandking.... he died alot of time and he cant kill me but... the game goes on tooo long. but i still win... ok! i nid to train more on axe! Bye fwii

@aussie2000,

Look at my levi guide...:D

http://www.dotastrategy.com/hero-63-LeviathanTheTidehunter.html

No offense fwii...I couldn't resist...

Oops, wrong link

http://www.dotastrategy.com/strategy-5024-TheTurnoftheTideATeamandTacticsGuidetotheLeviathan.html

wow... nice strategy

know i understand why my friend beat my ass lol :P removes my buffs all the time and he had 2 vanguards lol...

y dont u use phoenix instead of edgeworth? anyway, how bout a blade mail added to ur inventory?

I thought someone posted this exact build before. Like, a year ago.

vai tomar no cu

cool! smart ideas, what do you think about axe having mekanism?

@~fwii


Bcall does work on Bkb.....Its like the same effect with Culling blade Not magical i presume. And this is true since i have done this a few times though i was screwed with Sandking but no... it actually worked....


This is a good news for all Axe players

@~fwii


Bcall does work on Bkb.....Its like the same effect with Culling blade Not magical i presume. And this is true since i have done this a few times though i was screwed with Sandking but no... it actually worked....


This is a good news for all Axe players

10/10!

very concise, straight to the point. you've perfectly prescribed the best way to play Axe. I've never realized just how nice an item stout sheilds are before this.

10/10!

very concise, straight to the point. you've perfectly prescribed the best way to play Axe. I've never realized just how nice an item stout sheilds are before this.

wahh! dats an OWNING!

i really dont know about you strategy cmon giv me a break

This isn't a guide for greedy noobs. BLink/3x stout is used in almost all axe builds. I think helix/hunger is better for a "noob the noob" build because 3x stout=farming with helix so maybe you should consider that.

Actually, I don't find call that great of a skill unless I'm against invis heroes or until i get blink dagger so gj on that one.

:P

Most pplz said 3 stout shield is noob =)

Me too :D

I find Assault Cuirass the best item for Axe because you can take more risks with high armor and decreases armor of enemies making them easier to kill.

Axe is really a great hero. I dunno if he is also a good farmer? Well maybe so. I like the guide. So my understanding about helix is that the more enemies attack you the merrier the helix becomes active.
About the battle hunger, the formula is,
damage x time = hunger damage so its
25 x 25 = 625 damage. I didn't know that! But now I get it now. Thanks to this guide.

need more powerful items

love it when axe has
double heart
dagger of escape
travel
radiance
vanguard
cuirass
he is the perfect tanker
it is much for axe's berserkers call
and for axe's counter helix

u are a GOD...i am a medium player and i think your explanations will help my noobi ass a lot

you noe, or buying stout shields, there is another secret shop selling only 3 items (including stout shields). Ifound this out in -wtf with priestress of the moon and leaping around madly. there are two. between the woods at the
top-left corner and the bottom-right corner of the mini map.

oh yea by the way, you dont need to use blink to get there

@HC_ROX
Yes I already know that, that is where I buy my stouts.

nice bro :D

and radiance ?

great strategy but hav a little flaws that makes this axe vulnerable to some idiotic but nice heroes ... it would be good if u can help us with axe's weakness but overall i still rate it 9/10 ... nice strategy though !

=)

This is definately a good guide. AS already mentioned by some people i also think that multiple stouds are very situational and so is battle hunger.
I also wanna add that Axe is one of the best neutral creepers early game. If you have two late gamers or other heros in your game, who require strong farming or early XP, it can be very usefull to go forrest creep right from the beginning. Its also good for some early ganks at nearest lane after lvl 6. Although a different skill build is needed for that obviously :) With a little luck of having nice creeps and maybe a kill at lvl 6-8 it can give you A LOT of money mid game and guarante many kills there.

i don't want nooby hero like axe

whoa!!!!!!!!!!
11/10

like ZOMG dude you have really outdone yourself
What a kick-ass guide, I went 12-0 with it

Oh yeah btw does negative armor amplify the dmg of helix?

Nice One.... Very Informative... 2 thumbs up....

Nice strat. but is there any other way to offense in the late game?

OBJECTION!!!!!that part is cool...

no one kicks my ass any more

your guid owns

LOL love the strat but then i am a noob so it makes complete sense to me

maybe consider turning plate mail into shivas? well never tried but hurts more then helix and has slow

You gotta help me out

Im getting pretty weak at axe


hmmm first of all i never use B hunger damn its so easily countered by tango so i switched to the Bcall and helix still im having a hard time damn it the moment i move to them they run away this then occurs

1.Cant Bcall too far range
2.Cant harass the moment i turn my back they hit this is either range or melee

Any tips to do it with bhunger or with out it

y wont u think of getting a satanic

y wont u think of getting a satanic

@blooo

Blink dagger is the solution to that problem an if in case you don't have dagger try walking beside the opponent while chasing don't attack(since you'll stop for a while if you do) and call him again when call is cooled down. The general rule of the thumb in using berzerker's call is to use it only when the opponent tries to run away.

whUT a obJection lol
nc try

i mean, platemail is nice, but if u have extra cash from mass creeping, y not build an assault curiass? It helps ur whole team and pisses off the enemies.

hhahahaha

nice Strategy !

It is okay if I replace the plate mail with vlad ?

goood guide. 910

WOW NS AWESOME 6.28 VERSION OF AXE THING. I WANNA TRY ON THE NEW ONE LOL AWESOME

this is how Axe players SHOULD do.
9.5/10

nice guide...i think its not nooblike..

i also like the conclusion part..herheeheh kinda stupid but awesome..

9/10 yayks!

This strat is unbeleivably good, you should really use it, I made this strat with him !!

how bout an mjolnir 4 late game.. think about 2 counter attacks

Nice guide, however i put a PT instead of that BOT ,makes easy the axe game in the beggining..
9/10

roflmao.
That "quiz time" sure is funny.
Only noobs would attack axe wif legions of creeps. Hahahaha...
And in the screen shots of drow, it is not "only" had 1 vanguard + 2 stouts, it is "already". lol. Of course you only receive not much damage wif vanguard + 2 stouts.

Many people argues about the battle hunger's usage, whether it should be used or not. I think it depends on the condition. When you face 2 heavy nukers while soloing the lane, the battle hunger won't be effective. It only fits best if ur pushing, and battle hunger the enemy in a good timing. But that means, ur wasting the early extra 75 damages by helix, and it is not "only" 75, coz it multiples by everytime axe spins.

i dont get why you buy 3 stouts, it doesn't stack right?

Yes it does but at a diminishing rate, 3 stouts will give you approximately 78% chance to block 30 damage.

You got a funny Q and A lolz Nice guide!

actually i think the best thing axe can do is to stun. it's kind of like part and parcle of killing with khan. so perhaps add bashers to him. overall a good guide

vanguards block damage and thus decreasing the chances of counter helix

Perfect. just... perfect

see here evryone? this is how to play axe. Heli them to death or culling if they not dead

awsome mate 10/10

axe ang malakas na nooby n hero kya kung tnga kyo wagniong gamitin...........

Hey I watch the movie many times And that was so awesome...
but there is a problem I think Drow is a SHE not a he
but nice!!!!
but there is a dagger?
this is my build for him
2 vanguards
3 tarasque
and a Travel
please explain if there are wrong

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
My build is different from yours but still i owned from earle to late game!
Hers my build:
1.Helix
2.Berserk
3.helix
4.berserk.
5.helix
6.culling
7.hellix
8.berserk
9.berserk
10.stats
11.culling
12.stats
13.stats
14.stats
15.stats
16.culling.
17.stats
18.stats
and so on...

Question, Why no Battle hunger?
Answer: Just waste of mana!

Items:
1 vanguard
travel
2 tarasque

THIS STRAT IS JUST AWESOME!!!! A WINNING FORMULA!!! u can easily make double kills and even several triple kills! thx fwii i like the u tube very much. nice one the strat was easy to make but it had to be a great genius to think of it first!

If you get a butterfly and evasion is triggered, is it still possible for counter helix to trigger along side it?

If you get a butterfly and evasion is triggered, is it still possible for counter helix to trigger along side it?

Multiple Vanguards are actually bad, multiple stouts are ok since they are cheap but Vanguards are quite expensive so I think it would be better to get a heart over another vanguard.

@mandude
Yes, it's possible. Counter helix will trigger as soon as a hero tries to attack you making it possible for you to spin even before they actually hit you.

3 helm of iron will! will do much.. then fury.. i promise no one will single handle YOU! late game heart of teraasque.. GODLIKE!

Wow i also liked the objection thingy but the strategy for axe is the best i think because it really helps me alot

10/10

I learned alot to improve my early game
tnx poh

In my opinion instead of dagger of escape we can get another heart

this is such an awsum strat. i got beyond godlike in 3v3 match at lvl 7 !!
10/10

@bugy4
OMG beyond godlike at level 7 is too much I could imagine you're facing a noob,really noob, and couldn't even do last hit to a creep and that way you could spam the battle hunger anytime.

Battle Hunger is useful to make your enemy try to kill or deny a creep which goes well with your berserker's call when they get in range.

It would be better if the plate mail become assault cuirass, wouldn't it?

nice guide

i love ur guide. but one thing i still cannot figure out....how do u counter someone with blademails? if u helix...boy are you gonna recieve a fair amount of dmg return

YOU FUCKING SUCK GET VANGUARD AND VLADMIERS!!!

Very weird game style? Are you playing other heroes like that, too? You count on helix too much. Why don't you use your gold for damaging? Why not a sange'n'yashaa? how will you defend against a flecher or a razor like that? against a sniper or a traxex? come on..

great great great super great

Reaaaallly nice guide! I started Axe only a couple of hours ago... and I think I fell in love with him **blush**
Axe's dmg output was TERRIBLE!

@pHysiX
Blade mails don't return helix damage

@Denzireck
Axe is the only hero that I play this way and yes his normal attack is too unreliable, helix has a better damage output and is spread out in an area. I don't see how a sange and yasha is going to help you fight ranged heroes, blink dagger is a bet