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Nortrom -The Glaive thrower
Created by fwii~ on 2007-05-19
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Nice strat fwii~.But your item build includes dagon and in the list of the items that you sholn't get you include dagon..
what is orb walk? 
OOOOOOOOO.Dagon5 i got it.sry
Great guide man. Item build is nearly the same as mine when I played Silencer last time. Should try him again 
Sli3ncer iS mUch moRE a SuppoRt herO NOt a
KILL STEALING HERO........................
I don't like This guiDE 
good strat with showing the animation canceling..i always do that..silencer can be both a supporter or killer..harass is the main key in the early game..since we have glaive with cheaper mana..
Hey Awesome strat! Wow the orb walking is a little hard to start with but so awesome!! I know you havent ruled it out but i like to get Butterfly after HoT because it offers a lot of speed (cant remember but i think its 65%??) a bit of damage and 30% evasion (wow what a bargain). Also you are damn right about needing to solo; Notrom with no level gap=food for any hero. Also in terms of late game items what are your thoughts on aghanims? It helps with dmg and gives a bit of health even if doesnt improve his ult. Oh yeah some more tips on staying alive would help (sorry about noob questions)
Great Guide Fwii~ !
Awesomeness
i like battle Silencer better than support silencer >< great strat dude
hey fwii~ i have read some of your guide and it is totally helpful, but some of them arent new to me. But this orb-walk thing IS !!! Cool, ive just learned that split second timing can affect nortrom's strike
Hmm, I've played silencer about... twice. And sucked one time and did fine the other, but boring. I think your guide would help me very much. I found the Orb-Walking very interesting, the way you took apart the attack animation. Also, I totally agree with the very last bit - BH and Bane are sooo hard to click on, Tree I dunno. One thing, Last Word is excellent for Channeling Spells, it cancels them as well. Oh, and you could probably get Necros as your second core item if your first was, say, Skadi - riiight. At any rate, good guide. 10/10
Regarding the animation cancel aka orb walk:
If you look carefully at the anime above, when silencer attacks, he throws his glaive, after that he just spins the glaive for nothing (itchy hand?). The spinning is just filler animation so once the glaive leaves him, just tell him to move towards the target. Then repeat the above. In this way you can chase someone and attack him at the same time. It's very hard to describe it so if i can find a replay, i'll show it to you guys.
to fwii~:
Congrats, yr strat finally made it! No offence to lonewolf, but i expect ppl will be looking here for a silencer strategy now. So u might include yr replay (which u mention some days ago) and some real screenshots on orb-walk.
Anyway, my strat is basically the same as yours except that i also include mekansm as a possible alternative, and if i happen to buy necro, i would share unit control to solve his micro problems. But that's only in serious games aka league. Once again, i'll give a very high rating to attract more visitors. You are going to be very busy answering questions after yr vacation.
Ahh.. orb walk. I dunno what it was called, but that's the way I always play Nortrom.
just curious why not mjollnir? and won't it better even better with trends plus maybe hand of midas for fast attack speed and also mjollnir firing lightning every couple of seconds? 
just wondering though
finally the best strategy for silencer. great work! 
I loved this guide! I tried it and defeated my friend 1 on 1! However, I still don't understand the orb-walking thingy
Wew good strat fwii~ ..so thats why ur strict in giving comments in other strat because u got a good reason
over all very good strat
Got a question too i dont get orb walk can u explain it to me
lol fwii this build is like the one the AI uses, but nice tactics.
sorry for double posting but sometimes i get hand of midas because it help a lot in farming and ASPD
if you still cannot understand orb walking .. i think it's.. hmm.. being able to chase your enemy and attack him while using skills like glaives of wisdom, that's why you need BoT for the movement speed so that you can still chase your enemy while autocasting glaive.. i think.. lol
anyways nice guide fwii~ 8/10 and i really want to see those screenshots or replays.. ^_^
Very nice, 10/10. Finnaly an explanation of animation canceling...
Short and sweet... though a little more substance can help...
Animation canceling is really helpful, not to mention it doesn't trigger untouchable/corrosive skin (pls. confirm / deny) and good on teaching it. This makes me want to test him out...
would it be meritable to grab a diffusal blade? or eul's no.2?
brilliant guide
very detailed..i love the orb walk
Very precise and accurate guide. Actually, when I read your guide, I thought that what the hell is Orb Walk all about; but with your nice descriptions about it, I totally understood Silencer's Orb Walk.
Very nice guide fwii~
good strategy..
but heres my item build:
1) treades
2) mystical staff
2) mystical staff
3) hyperstone
4) mystical staff
though this item build looks odd, it works really well! Try it and u'll get like god-like
I like the strat but you don't even tell about getting kills yourself just ksing... and soometimes if you're not host the host will kick you for ksing...
Well, i like it. It's something different to how i play silencer, But it does seem very effective. :D
Yeah basically what everyone else has said, great silencer guide, and i didn't know that the animation canceling trick had a name; orb walking. good stuff 
finally a nice guide for silencer. great job man keep up the good work
i like battle silencer than support; it's more exiciting :D
so you meant the orb is glaive of wisdom
and walking is try to skip the animation
to save time and execute another glaive.
i get it... nice strat
Nice guide....
Oh my god KSing lol Ksing Nortrom just the sound of that makes Me giggle =))
KSING makes me GIGGLE.
So far the strat is good
You should try put vengeful in there yeah i know you can kill vengy
In my expierence just last week 2on2 game
Me vengeful my friend Lion vs. Kardel and Nortrom.
I was harassed to death by nortrom he used Curse on me so bad i swapped lanes with my friend.
When we reached level 6 Nortrom was owned Swap combo =dead
Thats the only problem with Nortrom One swap and Gangbang results in dying
You should try putting Doom rikimaru in there... And Also Naga siren= 6 Nagas
10/10 for me hehehe Ill try this one now
Finally, a great silencer guide. Good job.
STRATEGY RANK: GODLIKE!!! I love this strat! Gives good idea on how to use silencer, although I disagree with not getting last word earlier.
juxt love your strat dude. The anmation cancelling part is really interesting but no doubt requirres higher level of skills to carry out. Nice item builds and i think last word is important to be learnt eariler in the game good job
good fwii~. nice skill build. 8.90/10
ok. first, i dont advise you to use the word KS. even if your intention is good, if you use the word ks, it will be a bad thing. for most people, ks = bad, ugly, noobish, gay. so use something like "ask your allies to give you the kills". it will sound so much better.
skill build: perfect(traditional) skill build. glaive stats gives more powerful glaives even early game, and helps your crappy hp as well. however, you should note that you should get 1 point of last word before level 6 and global silence by level 6 when facing combo heroes (sandking). last word will help you(and your lane partner if you have one), while global silence will help your allies in other lanes.
item build: ive seen people get this for nortrom, but i just dont like this item. even with stats and bracers, nortrom still dies easily due to lack of escape mechanism. so i usually rush for euls. however, dagon only works if you get it early since i rush euls, i dont get a chance to buy dagon.
mek is also a viable item. the heal really helps in survivability and makes nortrom a good support early to mid game, when glaives dont deal much damage to make nortrom a hardcore dps hero.
also, a fun way of playing nortrom when facing noobs is to get lots of mystic staff to deal HUGE glaives damage.
I have 9 more hours till my plane arrives so I'll make a few quick answers.
Mekasm - is a good item and should be gotten if no one else plans to buy one, although in high level games the Chen usually gets it. I've gone Mek in multiple casual games and yes it's very useful in saving your ass once or twice if your chasing past a tower but Dagon is a better choice to help you mass int.
Getting Euls early is also viable, I had a game where I skipped dagon for the fact that I couldn't farm it fast enough since I was badly harassed in my lane (3 nukers = GG) I focused on Euls instead to help me escape ganks.
Hand of Midas - If you farm it fast then go for it, Nortrom usually has alot of mana to spare but if the game hits 30 mins and you still don't have a midas then I suggest you should skip it.
Mystic staff:
Massing mystic staffs isn't horrible but it's quite unrealistic and provides almost 0 survivability, I would only recommend it if you're sure that you can win.
Sorry for my use of the word KS, I just had to emphasize on getting as much bonus int in any way possible.
BTW there's another bonus in orb walking: You won't trigger untouchable, Corrosive skin, and etc.
Other items: The new butterfly is good and is definitely a good alternative to the hyperstone, I wouldn't get difusal though since a dagon is a better choice to finisgh escaping heroes. A second Eul is fine but I prefer a Heart for added survivability.
i must say good work but i think putting curse of the silent is necessary bcoz it drains mana and life...
great guide ^^, btw tnx for the shift key thingy. okey heres my comment. Every guide has its comments you know. I would rather, not get dagon, and i shall replace it with meka instead. Adds to your defense. Survivability. Next on my list is. Guinso, key item. Remember, Midas is always there (optional) give attack speed. Getting dagon first is really helpful in killing but, buying it will give you no more money for defense, and may end up in dieing early. I believe, Nortrom is a late gamer, dieing early is not good for him. Lastly, getting one level at Last Word is like nothing(.75 sec). But overall, 7/10
great guide ^^, btw tnx for the shift key thingy. okey heres my comment. Every guide has its comments you know. I would rather, not get dagon, and i shall replace it with meka instead. Adds to your defense. Survivability. Next on my list is. Guinso, key item. Remember, Midas is always there (optional) give attack speed. Getting dagon first is really helpful in killing but, buying it will give you no more money for defense, and may end up in dieing early. I believe, Nortrom is a late gamer, dieing early is not good for him. Lastly, getting one level at Last Word is like nothing(.75 sec). But overall, 7/10 . May i ask a question? How long did you wait before your guide was approved?
do you know what irautocast? :D
lol i hate this hero
@joseclo08
lvl 1 last word is actually 1 sec. Database error?
@gilanc
If you hate him then ignore him. Don't come here and post trash idiotic comments that nobody can benefit from and which take up space uselessly on the server.
Its been a while since I played dota..
I buy almost the same items as you did here in this strat guide..
By the way, NICE strat...
But to tell you the truth, people are having trouble using Silencer as a Hero Killer.
In my opinion, (just wanna share)
Silencer = Support
there's something wrong with this guide..if at the end your going for a HoT, i think its better if you buy a Mystic Staff which gives your Glaives of Wisdom a high damage making Nortrom a better DPS hero.
wow... i like this strategy....
one question? should i get Assault instead of HoT.... in my opinion, assault is too good for any hero especially DPS hero...
Your tactic was awesome! I read this yesterday and wanted to test it! It was huge succes 18-2! I did have dagon +1, Boots of travel, Scythe, Heart of Tarrasque, Battle cuiras and hyperstone. That was just so pure ownage
@mineral_water
Silencer has crap hp. I assure you that if you buy a mystic staff, the other side is going to jump for joy everytime they see you. Free gold. Get what i mean?
Orb-walking rulex... since silencer's mana is FOC (if u follow the skill build). I soloed some1 in mid and gt a lv gap of 6 (me) and 4 (opp)...dam cool!
Would encourage ppl to master this skill, i think orb-walking aplies to drow's slow, bone's flame arrow and OD's arcane thingy
he says dagon 5...he says dagon 1 is a good idea...dagon 5 is a waiste...i assume you know about how dagons stack
ok 
i usually get boots
4 nulls
then go for BoT
guinsoo
Then either
necro/linkens/hyperstone
O_O not bad at all , since i am a silncer noob ><
this was good strategy for silencer the orb walking it was cool 
Lol @ capsian + mineral_water.
Mmmm, I need to random Silencer so I can test this. I don't feel comfortable just picking someone and hoping it works lol.
You can add Veno to your list of worst enemies. Gad, I always thought it was just me, glad someone pointed out the stupid clicking thing.
This is a great Silencer guide, because it highlights exactly why I don't like to play with or against Silencer. The numbing DPS gets a bit boring, and w/o a slow or stun, is rather unsatisfying. I suppose the various types of silence are good skills, but that just makes the entire game boring, since no one can do anything special. So, Silencer = making DOTA boring, and this guide does a good job in describing why.
I know, I know, this is coming from someone that wrote a strategy on N'aix, but at least with N'aix, they CAN do something. It's fun to see them watch too, because they can do all they want and it still results in your kill. Fun to watch at least.
I'd rate the guide a 9/10, but I'm against rating a Silencer guide. :/
Great guide though...
My God...
U actually talked about Orb-Walk and animation cancelling...
U really know ur stuff man...
Whao...Sometimes it is the tiniest details that we often miss, like anti-mage. Press Keypad B and cancelation at the same time will result blink animation. If u abuse the animation, the opponent will have no idea where u r gonna appear. I mean, this is excellent harrase skill for early game. I knew this cos my friend to told me.
Hope to c more of ur guides in the future!
i would suggest a little mroe indepth on the hero killing and maybe showing pics on orb walking for the noobs who dont know how to do it . ive fought a orb walking silencer before pain in the ass.
Wow so many comments already
anyway good guide 10/10
Whats animation cancelling?
Wow so many comments already
anyway good guide 10/10
Whats animation cancelling?
So in orbwalking, the moment silencer throws his glaive, you walk, so he doesn't lean forward a bit after doing it, saving time.
The third skill is important when fight enemy with combo such as Sand King. He dont have a time to cast epicenter after burrowstrike.. GOOD SPELL. Y gondar so hard to click?
great guide, similar to the way i like to play silencer ^^..i like the HoT because it allows you to actually take a bit of damage and stay in the fight, which ultimately leads to more kills
good one but what is orb walk?
And how about, monkey king bar?
great guide man! I like it!
good enough... but i think linken's sphere is a must have (good defensive combo with last word). i always use curse of silent in early game especially against str type heroes...(this coung actually kill strygwyr and lifestealer in early game).
global silence at level 8 imo, and once void stone u can non-stop glaives
The main reason why I don't get curse is because Glaive harassing does much more damage, Curse is only useful for mana control that's it.
nice build and thnx for that orb walking thing. we have almost the same item build but my skill build is curse and glaives because most of the time i kill my enemies with curse. i hope you can show us that orb walking wiht a replay..9/10
just cast the curse and showering the enemy with glaives...
OVERWHELMING...!!!
10/10
hey
good guide. I never really liked silencer and its cuz I didn't no how to use him. this makes sense but can u PLZ PLZ PLZZZZZ post like a youtube demonstration of the orb walk? I have no clue how to do it. thx muxh appreciated. (I don't laff ne more wen some 1 picks silencer.) 10/10
hes a supporter and dps potential
gd strategy
i dunno.... i find silencer more of a support hero... 
hmm my cheiftain , ( a damn pro ) , buys MKB and SnY for silencer , BoT and Guinsoo , i think thats gayer . but urs is a great guide too , since my silencer SUCK
what is orb walk dude???
it is quite a good guild but i prefer boost int 4 higher damage.even have high hp and without damage,it is useless.but i like the orb walk guild.
if ure a good money maker, just upgrade ure DAGON to DAGON 5.. right??
by the way, what's orb-walK???? i need an answer!
I made a Video to show it in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrhsHwQou4
i liked it
thanks fwii. ill check it out asap!
Excellent. You have completely flipped my opinion of the silencer upside-down and for the better.
Pretty much shows how I play silencer. Nice guide ~fwii.
I highly recommend you to put the definition of Orb Walk after you say it in the... whatever part of the guide.
This guy is owning as long as u get the timing of GS with ur allies' 4th skill and not die during early game. either cancel channeling spells or maximize team combos.
EARLY: tangosx6 branchx5(own the lane avoid being ganked. cant take the heat? hug the tower, no shame in that)
MID: euls(void before boots then rush euls), threads,2x bracers(x2 gaunts 1st), guinsoo, bkb
LATE: aegis divine or x2aegis
tp,flasks,obs.wards(tp being the priority): never leave home w/o them; obs.wards dpend on role play
*lethal when it comes to ganking and combos; eg. mass stun aoes like warlock,jakiro, raigor, blink polarity, blink ravage etc..GG
i just looked at the item guide ...
after that...i rated you a 10/10!!
great guide....
great guide 4 thumbs up!
Might Wanna put an early point in LW (around lvl 4) if you are laning against chain disablers,chain nukers or sand king...
ows,. your build is disgusting because of the Dagon5,. better if 2 null on early then use the guinso with hyperstone,. seem on it then you will find out what's better,.
Silencer is used in most league games or clan wars as the 'carry', which is usually not played in the flexible mode 'em'. I have watched many replays from www.meetyourmakers.com and it seems the item 'Hand of Midas' seems to be an essential item, because the farming benifits and the increased attack speed. Regardless nice guide, first person to actually be bothered to explain orb walking, although too brief for those who do not understand. Getting Mid solo in pub games is hard T_T, they call you newb and do not understand the mid solo benifits for the carry and why the 'Silencer' needs solo. Ignore those who suggest items, item suggesting is no help and provides no benfits into micro and skilled playing. Anyone can dream and suggest items to any hero with such ease but they cannot suggest the most effective ways to play and control. Micro > Items. Great guide, cheers.
@akumachi
Look carefully with your eyes ok? He wrote:
DAGON 1 only pls!!!
And like loze said. Some comments are turning the place into a supermarket of weapons. If the guide maker already has a shopping list and yours overlap with his, then don't repeat the unnecessary like we can't remember silencer's shopping list.
I'll prolly edit this when I have the time to make a clearer explaination of orb walking and stuff. College = less and less free time.
BTW I NEVER WANTED ANYONE TO BUY DAGON 5 I ONLY USE DAGON 1 AND SELL IT LATER FOR HYPERSTONE AND STUFF.
I'm horrible in using Silencer
10/10 very g guide......i never tried silencer b4 but this guide made me do it and it was wonderfull ....now i understand how the silencer players alwaays got me
Great strat! But, the orb-walk is quite hard to do, btw you should make another strat, GJ!!!
Firstly I wanted to TyTyTy for making this guide... nice strat, no fluff, and this makes him fun to use... ive always wondered how to play 'new' silencer since his rm longlong ago, and youve spelled it out. 10/10 from me
Has anyone tried diffusal->manta? Please advise how to compare to Euls -> Guinsoo. Sure glaive/feedback dont stack... but the stats help ias and mana, slow will help kill and once u turn it into a manta (for hp, survivability) the images will retain manaburn, also have high dps bc of ur high int (images do not gain bonus dmg, but benefit from stats) while the real u has glaives for the dps
... will try ur strat first before sabotaging it with a diff item...
Sorry but ranged images don't mana burn and euls is still a better option since it gives you more damage.
wow ...... ur not a noob
nyc tnx for the strat...
I like the skill-build - the dagon is somewhat misplaced tbh - I would rather get meka for survivability and the ability to stay in your lane. Guinsoo really kills people and is THE core item for silencer imo - I agree with heart and hyperstone - get two plz ;D!
great guide, I have played him like 3 times and 2 of them i went beyond godlike....lol this build owns!!! 
with his unreduce armour glaive damage i see him as a Dps killer
the orb walking was explained very well
heres my build
BoT ( orb walk )
Guinsoo ( save urself )
Mek ( same thing )
Linkens ( more survivability )
Radiance ( ties in well with orb walk )
hyperstone / butterfly ( mroe att speed !)
8/10
I went 12:3 with this build
Could put a few more int bonus items though
great guide....silencer never was my type of hero but now I'm cool with him.
Very nice strategy, but I think silencer is little to hard for starters, it`s much better for noobs.
not a bad guide....well done
btw,i dont really understand wat is the meaning of ORB-WALKING?
n wat is BKB?
BKB is black king bar.
y not agni scepter for silencer???
30 int. point....
Orb-walking is clearly explained on top of the guide. BKB is Black King Bar. Check out the item list for its effects. Anyway, great guide man....Always thought silencer is weak. Apparently not....10/10!
Nice guide, and also for the explanation of the orb walk, and like the other have said before, it would be good if there's screenies of how doing it accurately, and it will be better if you put the video that you've post into the guide.
For the curse and last word, although its not THAT great, it still have its use though, depends on what hero that you against in line, so i guess for skill build, it really relatives, and yours just one of them
And for me, IMO, silencer can be a killer AND a support hero at the same time, just put mekans and necronomicon to your item buid and WALA (although you dont suggest it i still build it though) , and it can do you some wonders
Overall, again, nice guide, simple, well-said and easy to follow
8/10 for it
-Regards-
i still cant understand how'd you able to cast orb-walk tht fast!! wooo tru pro.id give you 20/10
hey dude.. your guide helped me a lot when i first used silencer.. in the early game i had troubles because i was against tinker in the lane but in the mid and late game, i really pawned a lot... but will EoS be a good item 4 him because i had troubles finishing off high hp agi heroes??
anyway u got 10/10 from me.. now silencer is one of my favourite heroes.. ^_^
i think that hand of mydas,eye skadyand blodstone..is all you nedd..:)
As a carry hero who needs items and atk spd, Midas is actually an excellent choice for silencer. However, there is a criteria on whether you should get it. Don't get it if you still can't buy Midas after the 20 minute mark. I can get Midas at minute 14 though. Though if you get Midas, you must skip dagon because by then dagon will delay euls/guinsoo by a lot.
Besides Silencer, other heroes that would benefit from Midas are Viper, Enchantress, Bloodseeker. Be hardworking in transmuting and silencer can easily afford BoT, Hearts, Guinsoo by the 40 minute mark and Hyperstone by 50. I'm serious.
Midas isn't as cool as it used to be back then when it was easily farmed. Besides if you pick midas you'll have to skip dagon so it really depends on what your team really needs.
I love this guide
after reading this once decided to try silencer, now i only want to use him
thanks for the awesome strat fwii~ good explanations
10/10
hey.. will eye of skadi stack wid glaives of wisdom?
Skadi and Glaives don't stack.
This strat will always work. i kno because this is all i do with silencer. just max glaives and stats first. by end game i usually get over +100 dmg with glaives so u tell me if hes a hero killer.
dagon or not dude?
Sorry I meant to say no Dagon 5, Dagon 1 is great if you can farm it in under 15 mins but it's never worth upgrading.
why there is no need of a p.treads??? i think that nortrom should increase its attack speed for a quick kill..
Actually power threads inst so bad but in 90% of the situations travel is a better choice. Ideally threads help you win fights where the enemy faces you head on but most enemies will try to run when they are out damaged, travel helps you chase better and allows you to escape or gank.
Yeah a question someone can explain what orb walk is?=)
wow, nice pics and description for orb walking. you should also have stressed out that when you do orbwalking the enemy creeps wont attack your hero cause creeps dont attack hero casting spells, and that there is ultimate harassment, for me orbwalkers are the best harassers esp. drow and viper. the best orbwalk combo in a lane is i think drow and clinx, that would be fire and ice.
i usually dont get dagon, i mean for almost all of the heroes, dagon early levels wont do anything at the end game right, so your force to buy till the level 5 and that for me is really a waste of money, you could have spent that money for alot better items. and i think for me curse of the silent is one of the best skill of silencer, dont disregard that. ok that would be bad against a lich player bcuz basically you're just wasting your mana and lich could just spam that nova cuz of his skill. but using it almost to all strength base heroes is bad ass harassment. naix and leoric for instance. and not only on strenth base heroes almost all except maybe the orb walkers and lich. for instance against sandking, if you do this, you will never worry about his epi combo anymore. but still i give this strat a 7/10
To above poster:
COTS definitely works on low mana STR heroes --------> for a while. After that a Sand King is going to appear out of nowhere and own everyone including Silencer with his power combo. I don't think Silencer can even cast COTS on time
Actually I myself don't like dagon on silencer but it is not that bad WHEN you use silencer to gank. IF you are a farming silencer then of course dagon doesn't suit you.
Nice Guide though..
But If you really want a DPS hero, Your Item build should be...
BOT
Euls
Skadi
Dagon or Necro
any life items
Glaives of Wisdom plus criticals is just rape!
Still a nice guide, we still have something in common with playing Nortrom
Skadi and Glaive do not stack. Nice try but doesn't work.
not bad bastards ...
Thanks for spending the time to share with us your strategy! Great guide!
10/10
last word is important esp. in mass games such as 5vs5 or 4vs4 early on...radiance is much better before BoT
Wow KSing . NIce build,Great Strat! 9/10.
Good strat, I'll try it out. I've been getting Perceverance first, then getting a Hyperstone, then upgrading to Linkin's Sphere, which gives you an large amount of damage and mana. I'll have to see how your strat fares...
nice orb walk thing... but anyway, i think a support silencer would be better... do u have a guide for a support silencer? thnks.
The best way silencer can support is to deal damage, keep the levels of your opponents low by denying, finish off kills that would have gotten away, and timing a perfect global silence.
Playing silencer is similar to playing Lich you own as much as you can in your lane getting as much kills as possible and supporting your team with a well timed ulti.
Your item build will be pretty much similar but if your team really needs someone to buy a Mekasm/Necromicon then by all means buy it.
that build is horrible why not get nulls to start for more glaven damage and dont bother getting sheepstick b/c yull have the attack speed to just kill them and they cant get away you could just get eye of skadi to increase damage and glaven damage b/c that is yur number 1 weapon in battle
u sure knows a lot about silencer! great job! keep up the good teaching! xD
I rather to first to buy voodoo before dagon.. thats cool.. but i respectfully like this kind of sliencer's strategy.. Your my idol sir..
I wish u had a video nice strat though
Hey, isn't it that Glaives of Wisdom damage depend on how much intelligence you have? Why not add more int items? Why not buy 3 Mystic Staffs for more int? Travel+3 Mystic Staffs+Hyper Stone/Butterfly+Tarrasque/Cuirass= damage close to Divine Rapier w/o the risk of dropping. Think about it. The Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse is good though.
i prefer to have GS at lvl 6
for combo allies
like SK haha
.... i'LL paRactiCe siLenceR... tnx for the iDea...
you forgot something important in my opinion if you make hot the try to make a bloodstone it helps with mana but the most important is the hp that gives to you and the combination with hot regen will be deficult to get you down...and if you die 400dmg is realesd so if you haunting an the enemy stands lucky you will kill him
you forgot something important in my opinion if you make hot the try to make a bloodstone it helps with mana but the most important is the hp that gives to you and the combination with hot regen will be deficult to get you down...and if you die 400dmg is realesd so if you haunting an the enemy stands lucky you will kill him
nice strat man. 10/10
not the coolest strategy the smartest strategy specially the orb walking din't think of that could happen and the picture 's half second is waste your right SMARTEST STRATEGY 10/10
hey who's call me!!??
Thanks , you had widen my knowledge in dota . Somehow i have trouble to do orb walking as i'm a rushy person
*need more practice
2bol kau
I'll go for guinsoo first before dagon..
My silencer always has this build:
SnY,Butterfly,lvl-2 Dagon,Guinsoo,
Travel,Linkens
Nortrom was quite a standing king with this build .Also it gives gud evasion and ms.
Someone try this build....Aldo its costly..
lol just a few dayz ago i played nortrom against gondar n bane without realizing how i wuz havin such a hard time orb walking..
Why do we need bracer I thought silencer was int?
hmm I was wondering if skadi orb works with silencer ? and I love this guide...its a very good guide....dagon as a finisher is pure ownage XD
getting dagon nowadays is stupid!!!
Great Guide 4 Nortrom & might I say dat it is very well put... :D
I agree on having a battle silencer dan a suport one but nowadays mi frends tell me dat he's d lamest & corniest hero 2 play wit... :'(
I dont know y dey call him dat but I still believe dat he may still kill alot wit d proper tacs, strats, bilds & item bilds... :(
If onli der was somway dat Icefrog wud mak him a bit IMBA like making his skills better...
If possible I wud want 2 hav it dis way:
(P.S. @ max lvls...)
1)His MS shud be @ least 330-340
2)His CotS shud be 50hp/30 mana per sec
3)His GoW shud be 70% of his int
4)His LW shud be 4 secs 700 AoE
5)His GS shud be @ least 7-6 secs
Well dats about it... I said everythin dats needed 2 be changd 4 nortrom...
Haaaay Lyyyf....... :(
(P.S. cguro hnggang pangarap na lng 2ng
pgba2go ng mga stats ni Nortrom :[)
I hope dat Icefrog sees 2 everibodi's wants about having a good hero or even a nyc BATTLE SILENCER... :(
Well enough about dat crap...
My Item Build 4 Silencer is:
1)Guinsoo
2)BoT
3)Cuirass
4)Mjolnir
5)HoT
6)Aghanim
(Wdf!!!Seriously I get dis one coz it
increses norty's int...)
Well mi skill build 4 him is
1)GoW
2)Stats
3)GoW
4)Stats
5)GoW
6)Stats
7)GoW
8)LW
9)Stats
10)LW
11)Stats
12)LW
13)Stats
14)LW
15)Stats
16)GS
17)GS
18)GS
19)Stats
20)Stats
21)Stats
22)CotS
23)CotS
24)CotS
25)CotS
(But sometyms if im in d mood 4 instnt
ownage I use CotS rather than mi oder
4 stats... ^^)
Hope u lyk it... :(
I agree with you on the skill build but not the item build heres my build for ultimate ownage
2xnulls
treads
dagon for finish if you think you cant kill them quick b4 they run
bashers(only if theres alot mele b/c even if you stun ranged ppl they are farther away from you and prob get away but if you wanta get bashers anyway thats fine)
bfly for the damage and attack speed
hyperstone for more attack speed
and if you dont get the bashers get burza and mkb for alot of damage and once again for the attack speed b/c with silencer the faster you attack will kill them easy plus with orb walking if you can master it = good game
if any one needs further help wwith this hero my account is Dark-Archer on
azorath ill be happy to help dont be shy!
Wat Build Is Suitable 4 Silencer 4 Ownage of Brood Mother & Night Stalker?
Having Problems on how 2 kill dem... :(
Brood Mama is so IMBA & Night Stalker is a Monster
I'm trying 2 master d art of orb walk & creep blocking but its so hard wen u ar plying against dose 2 monsters
I also agree wit dotakill Butterfly wud be gud also & mkb... :D
But I wish dat Icefrog wud hear my suggestions on silenzer uwaaaaa...
I have a question also...
Wud it be suitable if silenzer have orb effects & oder crappy add-ons???
Plz Reply... Thnx
if you wanta know the key to killing heros with silencer its not just your skills and items its team work team work is always help ful when fighting multiple heros b/c someppl think that they can take on 2 or 3 heros at once with silencer but even if you kill one of them yur prob gonna die so never be like that unless you are super sure that you can kill them and also orb efects arent good b/c i thenk they cancel out glavens like then do with drow and other heros with skills like that so just stick to the build that i posted b4 and you will be fine along with orb walking and playing safe bye!
Thnx dotakilla12 4 ur advice I'll see to it immediately dat wen I play GG I need alot of Tankers and Nukers :D
Btw, Ar u playing on GG client?
If u do Please add me FelSilenzer25
I play during 9 pm - 1 am every monday and friday... :D
THnx Agen
i prefer curse of silent to last word because it makes you deal much dmg in early and mid game. last word is just good against some heroes, for instance zeus.
Now they know that Nortrom kick ASS!!!
Maybe I'm just nub, but, Perhaps get an Agahmins, if you already have scepter and don't want to get HoT. Hood is also nice for that crazy regen, and it's really cheap.
At the beginning of the game u dont have so many int for boost damage with Glavies of Wisdom. I think is better get Curse of Silent. Attack a bit, and if enemy heros dont reatreat u cast it, then they will die coming back.
It works with ALL spell that continue damage enemy after casted
for the 10th time DO NOT get curse or last word untill tou have to late game but get last word b4 curse and sure curse is good early but yulll just fucking get owned mid-late game b/c you didnt put stats and also dont get scepter or HoT heres the build again
2xnulls
treads
dagon for finish if you think you cant kill them quick b4 they run
bashers(only if theres alot mele b/c even if you stun ranged ppl they are farther away from you and prob get away but if you wanta get bashers anyway thats fine)
bfly for the damage and attack speed
hyperstone for more attack speed
and if you dont get the bashers get burza and mkb for alot of damage and once again for the attack speed b/c with silencer the faster you attack will kill them easy plus with orb walking if you can master it = good game
thats a really good guide, lol becuase its exactly what i buy/do for nortrom
nice strategy.but i used mekansm,dagon,aghanims,BoT,a vanguard and a guinsoo and i owned!!i used your strategy and i owned!10 kills to 0.woohoo~!tnx!
omg how many times do i gotta say it this guide is not good follow my build and yull be better off
Bashers on ranged heroes? Better do your homework 1st before imposing your will here.
Very good start tried this and got 3 kills in a row with np ty 4 this strat just 1 thing i did diferent is 2 get a blink dagger mid game which helps with killing (BLINK IN FRONT + HEX = SILENT RAPE!!!!!!!!!!
short but effective, why no SnY, the extra movement/ attack speed/ chance of maim would be a great addition to the silcencer
OMIGOSH.! i never knew of ORb Walk. :]] nicee nicee :D
very smart comment but why not buy a soul booster so you can have a boost in mana an in health
w0ooohhh! That's nice huh! Your gide is pretty good but it's only for pros. Well thanks, you did exPlainE your gide very wel haha^_^ nothng to add.! Keep it up bro!
Sange and Yasha is bad since you'll be throwing away most of your damage just so that you can maim. If you need a slow get skadi although it won't stack with gliaves you can alternate frost and glaive shots with a bit of micro.
doesnt necromonicon add an insane amount of int?? that should boost the power of glaives by a bit right? it also adds strength which silencer needs for survival...
weak against str and those heroes that doesn't depend on their skill like barathrum, broodmama, void and others.. Killer build I like it.. Unstoppable once he got guinsoo and buriza..
I only play silencer when there is atleast 2 people that have 1 or none spells. when i play silencer i always go for attack speed. Treads and midas. If it kills every1!!!
i agreed with you.
these three hero(tree,gondar,atropos)
are very hard to click/annoying...
kill stealing is not cool
My primary item build for this hero is 2 hyperstone
BoT
Perseverance
BKB, Buriza, MKB are the other options when you are properly farmed
This will turn this guy into killing monster!
I only have difficulty when facing spiritbreaker with great disabling skill
I also want to add that I like the 2 hyperstone because I like to maximize the power of Glaives with pure damage unreduced by any armor or spell resistance
Hae man great strat, just like mine HOWEEVER replace hyperston with buterfly and he is truely unkillable!!! buterfly gives evasion AND (30%) and a lot more atk speed + bonus armour...... but great strat...
i agree only get 1 hyper stone and scrath the bashers and dont get midas even tho it is cheap get mkb insted
@doug1423
I ask permission before I KS in random pubs I don't do a blatant KS but with my team I politely ask them to save the kill for me so I can get the int bonus.
Nice stratgey :) 'Orb walking' tutorial was very helpful, but my choice of items varies from yours somewhat. I would rather go for dps, 2 mystic staffs and the butterfly, and if im rich a mkb. I believe it was a dps Silencer that helped China to win the world championship.
can u pls explain the orb walk again?
great guide,but here are some of my thoughts:i havent played dota for a while but i used to always get mechanism with him and also hand of midas at the beginning. Mechanism because of the suriviability,which if we're all honest, the silencer desperately needs and the hands of midas because even if you're having a really hard time with opponents you are still able to farm some decent items out of it. After that, i would usually go for guinsoo. After that i cant really remember so i hope this is a little helpful for those who sometimes have problems with better opponents:P
i luv the strat
Well max dagon in late game stupid..
well here is my item build:
-BoT
-Dagon
-Aganims
-Assault
-Guinsoo
-Dagger
goodshit
wtf is dps?
WOW Nc strat. I just tried it it was great. i think Nortrom can be a killer and a support hero with nc items. again nc strat.
Can skadi stack with the glaive? Can i buy skadi instead of heart of tarasque? If u faced lifestealer at ur lane in the early game wil u learn the curse of the silent skill?
@jeff9stalker
Skadi won't stack with Glaives but if you are good enough you can alternate frost and glaive to help you chase. I still wouldn't consider taking curse when I'm facing Naix, Curse is for Mana control plain and simple, if you want damage Glaive harassing will do a better job.
BTW if I have the time, I'll update this guide.
good job showing the animation cancelling
yeah u need dagon at early but than no dagon at late now got it?I simply love Nortrom
my silencer build always includes a mek,powertreads(for dps),3nulls for early game.than for mid and l8 game i aim for more stats with linkens(regen is nice for orb as well) and skadi. ussualy dosent last long enough but if you somehow get into a 90min game aim for a guisnos after that. SILCENCER IS AN AMAZING FARMER and with mek YOU CAN STAY IN YOUR LANE 4EVER!!!!!!
my fren say u stupid...i think so too
great guide 910 cuz i disagree with dagons =p
is blink dagger or mekan works better for a silencer with your items build??
Blink dagger works better.
omfg... the orb walk looks so hard to perform........
but still good
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hehe nice guide cool silencer's attacking framework, but dont buy orb effect items it will not trger mjolnir
by orb walk you mean attack move?play some tft jesus lol
@isuckdotapenis yo were you aiming that at cuang? if you were this guy has an entire section titled "How to Orb Walk" lol
jesus, looking at evrybody elses guide makes me feel like an albino in harlem..some of these items like moj arent making anysense to me, sure the lightning is cool but the attackspeed and very little dmg for the 7k+ seem stupid.orchid much better..curiass seems kinda odd as well considering half your dmg is PURE with no AMROR EFFECT(glaives) but than again i guess the team will benefit from it ( if the jackasses are gonna make a the int carry hero get it)
zzz cant u see he typed below tt not to get dagon LVL5!!!
Bracer,eul,dagon,oblivion staff,guinsoo..
Wow! 10/10
???????wat! i dont think so? dagon is very important on silence why?
i dont know????
this needs some serious updates
the 6.49b got 3 NEW ITEMS good for silencer.
and for those who think silencer is support, i'd say you play tooo much pubs,try competitive play sometimes to see the real way of playing silencer.
dude, i love your spell build, its just like mine :) but i dont like your items
u need to get null talismanns for the dmg ofc .. and u dont hp items , u get enough from bonus and nulltalismanns and why get boots of travel ? it got nerfed in 649 which is the worst version ever. boots of travel is useless since the new version (facts :()
get treads instead - int.
once more - Great spell build :)
Hey, can you people answer my questions? (especially "fwii")
1. Do you use orb walking even in attacking towers?
2. Does "last word" stop channeling spells?
3. Do you still use orb walking even in the late game? (when you have the hyperstone)
4. Do you use orb walking even though your opponent isn't running?
I hope that you will answer my questions...
1)no
2)no
3)probably
4)sure
@230 You orb-walked until your attack speed is too fast for you to cancel the animation... Er, if you're slower than a sec/attack.
@kirujan94
1) You can't orb walk towers
2) No, although it will silence them after casting their channellings spell.
3) If i still need to chase
4) Depends, if there are no creeps around I just auto cast glaives.
If I'm fighting at my opponents tower I orb walk to prevent the tower from targeting me first
If I'm fighting enchantress I orb walk so that I won't be affected by untouchable.
Auto cast allows you to attack faster than orb walking but orb walking allows you to chase and avoid creep aggression.
orb walk waats tat
^care to read?
good job =.=
Hmm i like this guide but my item build is a bit different i usualy get Shivas then the one staff the has silence, lol dont know the name, i like getting intel treads instead of BoT, with this items i usualy own any hero, unless there super fed.
233 By VenomScout 2008-01-19
orb walk waats tat
-this is what happen if u skip normal map n rite away play dota...
gud
ahHhHhHh,, iS tHat aLL?
tNx for the guiDE...
gr8 guide.. even though its hard playin him now with all the changes.. still.. helped me own b4
Nice guide but i like to place orchid of malevolence since it has 225 mana regeneration +20 mana 30%aspd soul burn +40 damage
not bad but i think we most use int items so much.more int will made your glaives powerfull and silencer will be deadly than just make a good int items and dont forget your atk speed and hp. thank u
Nice guide. Though the thing is. Shouldnt you rush sheepstick? The sheepstick gives you a kick with its bonus int and it allowsw you to get 10-10 extra hits onto the enemy via orb walk (since his a @#$@ing sheep)
please respond
Hmmmm...that orb walk seems complicated...
How do you exactly 'Orb Walk' correctly? any vids on Orb Walking that we can watch?
oh, there's a vid already. sorry :-P
And, one more thing, 10/10 man. this stuff rocks like anything.
Thnx 4 dis awesome strat man, it made the seemingly weak nortrom look cool. Juz 1 question: once i've finished guinsoo, HoT, BoT, Hyperstone, and still have plenty of money or time to farm, should i piss off my enemies by buying Mysic Staffs? After all, there's still two empty slots
Thanks for the guide its a big help ^^
gay strategy
AWESOME GUIDE
Should get one butterfly and shiva's guard....
oops..I forgot mekansm..
I think null talisman is better choise to bracer.
maybe must get 3 null talisman
rather get skadi than a heart even if I have to skip an orb walk to normal atack.
Least then it adds attack and attack speed.
Nice strat... Good thing to show the orb walk... although... i do use the other skills of Nortrom, i combo till they die XD... by maintaining the curse and their mouths shutted XD... btw... maybe you can include Skadi... yeah it's really expensive but... it slows down enemies... and adds a lot of dmg... i feel that you could at least put 1 point on last word it helps a lot with enemy skills... since global silence has a long cooldown...
i like the way u play - u must be a real pro to orb walk. or i'm a noob 1 thing: plz add some screenshots on globlal silence timing and orb-walking, it would help. anyway, good guide 9/10 .
how about eye skadi you can make enemy running slow with this items???
well this guide make me want to play silencer. u explanation in uncomparable and the orb walking thing i realise tht there're such technique like this.
well very nice guide 10/10
btw. as i caculated i see tht Silencer can silence enemy for 15+ seconds WOW!(Orchid, Hex, Global silence, Last word....)
GOood strat overall but i dont get this sentence:
Travel is much too important you really need the extra move speed to orb walk
Huh? Orb walk is canceling attack animation when using auto-cast, u doesnt even need MS to do this, even with 0 ms, u just need to issue another command?
Maybe u mean chasing but i think the slow from guinsoo and cyclone from Eul can give u some time to catch up.
Really like this guide. I have learned play silencer good with this guide and he is now 1 of my favorites heros. This guide just rulz. Much better than the support hero build,
malevolence plax
and maybe a eul's for chasing or escaping and the eul's give movement and cyclone
i dont like ur item build at all, first of, u need some IAS early, and Midas + Bot is a nice combo. Also, bracers are a definately nono. start of mantles and make nulls instead. dagon IS a noob item, it's more of a Pugna onli item (decrepify + dagon = heaps of damage)good job in describing orb walking though
*CounterForce* - btw, ORCHIDS Is useless, too much uneeded mana regen as well as not providing much needed int.Sheepstik gives more stats and damgae since it got buffed, it is the most important item on notrom more den eva
7/10
Great guide!
I was wondering with the new items, perhaps it might be useful to use your expertise to update this?
#1: The Guinsoo build has changed unfortunately...will you still recommend it then?
#2: Orchard Malovalence as a possibility?
#3: Anything to help your armour instead?
Thanks again! I don't have the old version anymore, but I'm sure this guide would have owned.
Nyc guide! M just wondering (and this MAY be a NOOB question), do orb effects cancel-out his glaives? thanx 4 the awesome guide!
This hero must have a good teamwork. If global silence is out of timing you and your allies heroes will be defeated.
I saw Dagon and immediately lost all interest...
Dagon is always a waste of money on every hero..
The int gain just is not high enough to justify the cost and the 400 dmg nuke just does not cut it on silencer.
what is orb walk ??