blooo's guide to "The Eye of the Panda"

decent strat. will try later

Nice

Wow....didnt thought this would be up....ahhahah please comment and rate more hahahha.....


Ive given.... 5 builds for Panda hahahha enjoy my friends

2 hoods don't stack and all that regen isn't as useful as having more hp. So far I use only one build for him which is the tanker/ganker build. I rush blink and do blink + clap to initiate every battle. Radiance comes next since it makes finishing off a low hp hero a breeze.

I also go Clap+stats in order to help me spam more thunder claps early game for 1st blood.

I love ur explanation on the primal split pandas. Erm, u could have included more on the killing tactics and some screenies on using primal pandas to kill. And i believe that it's the "tab" button to switch the skill menu in between the primal pandas. Should expand the wind panda's things to dispel! =P very gd! 9/10

hehe nice guide pandas my second favourite hero so easy to get godlike by lv 10, just look for tower huggers or people going back to base qand intercept them.
You might want to add arcane ring to ur build cause a blink + stomp at lv 7 will take out all your mana.
Anyway great guide 10/10

@fwii~


Hmm...i made 5 builds for panda so people can choose a variety of items to own if you want to use 1 build fine... thanks for the Hodefiance tip i see so many told me to try using 2 Hodefiance.



@Dashy_gazzz


Thanks for the positive comment hmmm I really explained about killing try looking at the diffrent build sections all of the builds work i promise. thanks though hahah

umm i still dun get wad a cut is

i agree with fwii. except that i rush radiance.

ok you said panda has a difficult mana management yet you did not go clap-stats.
also, getting haze only late game(17) would be wiser since the slow is not needed(you have blink-clap from that) and the miss is for dps heroes only(shines only late game).
also, primal split is better leveled at 10-11, since you dont have that much mana early game and you can easily get kills even without it as long as you have allies with you.

also, having multiple builds in a guide is hard to manage since first, you have to explain each build in detail. second, you have to justify the reason in having multiple builds. third, you have to explain why a particular build is superior/inferior to other builds and which build do i use under certain circumstances.

also, your screenies are good, but pictures on how to micro your pandas when you split would be much more useful. that is actually one way to separate the noobs from the pros.

Good try but I personally like the tank build (hearts/radiance). I'd mention Rhasta as a special partner of Panda because storm panda has a cyclone which Rhasta can use to ward trap.

Just to add. Storm also has that WW to cyclone ppl out of the blue. Follow up with mass wards.

wow long post by eyefury.
i pretty much agree with everything the guy said, but ill add a few things like

the format is good for the eyes, but not too good for the mind.
you have short sentences and paragraphs, but they're too short that some details were lost.

anyway its still a good guide, but there are lots of things to improve. keep up the good work.

erika

very good strat.. liked it even tho i dont play panda alot .. nice job dude!

great guide i owned the other team uing ur strategy but i still nid to work on primal split killing. thnx or the guide

Guide to Primal Split would be awesome. Like anyone knows. Ummm, Skadi rules the world, I swear. 4v1 with Boots of speed and Skadi - Panda wins. Too expensive, you say. Get a Battle Fury and farm with that. You'll be there in no time. That said, I honestly don't like playing Panda - what do I know.

Ok the guide is okay but my main items for panda is PT,BattleF,Skadi,HoT. This hero is very powerful and i think that the skadi helps him a lot becuase it gives him the preciuos mana that is needed for thunder claps and the worst thing to happen with panda is if u are dieing in the middle of a fight and when u press 'r' nothing happens becuz u have no mana to split.

I don't really like this build, sorry, but it looks to me like you just copied asdfjjj's strat and added a few changes. sry.

I really enjoy your strat. But i must agree with some people here. More information will make this strategy a lot better. Keep up the good work!

gj on strat, another excellent panda build would be battlefury, heart, satanic, mkb, assault cuierass

@gotmilk


lol copying somebody's strat ^^ Me and asdjff has some diffrences....1st i thinkg he is a better player than me 2nd The builds i made work alot.

@ Everybody who says panda dosent have mana..



Panda's job is not to spam Clap early game You dont go simply forward then clap to death


2 nulls and Bassilus is enough you use clap wisely not recklessly ive notice some players clap then hit wasting mana they should know when and when not to clap if you really like to have long line of mana

Get the caster build nuff said.



@ Dhaze vs.Stats

Its your choice im not forcing you to get Dhaze then get stats.

@Primal split info....


The only reason i get primal 1 at lvl 6 is in near death circumstances sometimes players get gangbangged early primal ensures an escape while you Panda escape to the fountain.


@ Everybody


Ok......Comment up Make sure your comments help Im just looking through diffrent comments then ill update this.... well the part what fwii~ and eyefury said...


you know...i just wanna help some players out there im no pro but i know some people here are better than me thanks for the postive info though

I love pandas but I don't own any.

His ulti is so complicated I usually just hope I never random him. :!

I use dagger-satanic-mkb when I play Panda. My skill build is not the same, thought.

About your luring strategy... it does not work on enemies who know the game. Or atleast it shouldn't....

Also 2x HoD is not a good choice in terms of magic resistance. Get just one HoD and HP.

good hero hardly get killed if u use him right. tho not very good hero killer. Good strategy, blink is a must.

nice guide 10/10

I thought you wouldnt put battlefury for panda cuz it can help you with ur mana problem cuz clap eats so much of your mana.

Nice! Very Cool strats!

Not too good. I knew all this wiht a brain. You ask for cuirass but no basher/buirz?

Immaturekld: Learn to Speak English, Learn to post you Noob! He is not permabasher and he doesn't need Burizza cause he has crits already... No Brain.

decent guide overall but c'mon with the spelling. At least proof read it before posting it. Good job with the different builds

@Immaturekid


Lol...why get buriza... helooo You already have a crit why basher your no perma basher

@Wishmaster

Yeah i know about the 2 Hod im sorry..... Made a mistake ok...1 Hod is Ok.


And Lol Luring strat works even your fighting people who know the game why does it work you ask? Some people are too greedy Theyd do anything to get firstblood and thats a start not neccesarily they will follow you to your tower what i meant was at leas a little close to your tower then clap just look at my Picture about Pudge who got stuck on the trees that was what i meant.


Please rate and comment more once the comments reach 50-60 i will update the guide hahahah...so i can satisfy your needs well your dota needs of course

nice str gain, nice base armor, nice base damage, nice base HP, nice MS, what else can you ask for from this guy?

screenies would be nice, ultimately on "how to use his ultimate well", since i'm often got screwed up with the pandas

and caster panda? WHAT? now THAT'S new to me he's a STR hero for crying out loud but who cares anyway

for the utility and battle panda, strange, i use the combination of both of them (minus some items), so what panda am I?

Anyway, good guide, almost the same with I do when playing him, no screenies though, so quite confusing with his ulti.

Despite of that, 8/10 for it

My Pardon, THERE IS SCREENIES

Guess my browser or my connection sucks a bit

again, sorry

hmm u said this CLAP then PRIMALSPLIT then cyclone then clap again right? i assume this was in mid game, what i think is that he doesnt have enuf sp to use all those skills so i think that, that technique is for 13+ ehhe

i liked your guide but it was a little disorganized. Like you just thought of somethings at the spur of the moment and put it in a random section. Put in vladimers in your sange and yasha build... mana solution and cool life-steal AND you still have maim

just a little correction :

2 HoDs dont stack.

wow ... a nice guide.

i should try that CASTER PANDA, it is quite interesting =)

ok, cya i'm gonna try the caster panada right away :)

wew,never though about caster panda,goo d guide 10/10
btw:If you love and own a panda you can play as him in Dota= and pudge doesn't like vegetable,not vegetarian .just kidding,ok i'll learn primal split first^^

I like it :) tnx for strategy

@bucci

Vlad and Sny? Wont stack...Sorry if your doing that then your just doing that for the ms


@Unholy

Yeah i know 2 HODefiance dont stack i made a careless mistake Look at the earlier post to stop the 2 Hodefiance issues



@Creative_Ph


huh? In Mid game depending on what you get nulls or bracers mana will not be a problem with you....In mid i usally have 560 -750 mana

If this is the case get 3 nulls or better arcane ring.......

Combo:

hit hit hit clap assuming you are bored chasing primal chase -Shift use boulder whack whack use wind walk from Storm panda for hitting then if he is still alive Taunt from earth then hit again the cyclone......Wait for him to come down then Boom clap....



Hey guys i just saw the craziest panda today Manta style panda??? what are your thoughts about that

HEY EYE OF SKADI IS GOOD EVEN ITS EXPENSIVE U CAN KILL HEROES JUST BY
THUNDER CLAP THEN WAK HIM MANY TIMES IF THE CLAP IS ALREADY DEBUFFED US HAZE THEN CONTINUE TO WAK THEN USE AGAIN THE CLAP.its a good combo coz the d haze and clap makes the enemy slow + skadi
very slow even just by d haze and skadi slow

NICE^^

NICE^^

@Envoker


Yes you are correct but face facts almost none of us can farm skadi like lvl 12 or something its at least 16-17

Too much Expensive..........



Please rate and comment more ill appreciate it i might not update this guide this week since we will be having our mid term exam and im studying for it..

No updates have been made to this strategy.

Why do you say that panda is no permabasher.
If you get SnY,PowerTreads,Basher,HoT,
Radiance,Linkens ;we get a decent Bashing combo.
SnY really gets reqd AS+ Powertreads and radiance for chasing+ Thunderclap slow==>Split -cyclone-BoulderHurl=>D.Haze=>clap again and few leftover shots and Bashes.


Never mind that decent strats
Good work on Caster Panda ,I use it regularly now

Fine guide and great work on the caster Panda
I now regularly use Caster's Build.
Tell me how I take care of Mana burners or mana draining heroes

What build wud you use against Dragon Knight with Vladmirs,SnY,HoT and SandKing with Kelens and Mkb and Basher.
Your ally being Broodmother.
This was in one of my 2 vs 2 matches allpick.

wow, nice job!

Good job and nice guide....
Would have wanted moore details on the different builds and some moore screenies, otherwise very good 9/10

Hey, blooo! Cool guide! Why didn't you tell me you made the strat! It's awesome! ( dusk_morning )..

Nice one bloo!Bout teh hoods.They don't stack...Anyway 10/10!Congrats!

i'm pretty sure bucci was right.. some one correct me if i'm wrong.. but when u make vlads the lifesteal is an aura so it does stack with the orb of s & y

hes right.
they stack. orbs and auras dont cancel.

...u really think its a good idea to got for satanic as ur first big item....i prefer radiance....or bf....so can farm for rest of items

...u really think its a good idea to got for satanic as ur first big item....i prefer radiance....or bf....so can farm for rest of items

i was expecting to see the primal split working on this strategy...

ON PICTURES!

but i don't even see on T_T

anyway i like the use of MoM though

anyway nice one!

Nice strat. All I need is a decent strat and you got me in stitches!

get 2 butterflies they plus gis 24% dodge chance means 84% dodge and 60 damage.

CAN YOU SAY PERMA DODGE :)
INVULNERABILITY IF YOU GET SOME REGEN ITEMS

@Officerlou 60 Damage?He's str hero lol. And I don't think it's 84%dodge.Not sure though!

@ Dota Gamerz


I told you i make guides here hehehe didnt i told you that before hehe


@ Kaizer9

Bro yeah i know i didnt made an explinantion i mean picture its hard to make a picture about it though When i use primal I help allies get kills not get killes my self but dont you guys worry im gonna try my best do one this week i hope.


@sagarshirish


I reccomend Get Hodominator To have sufficient Life steal Make MKB- first big item to so you can farm and Kill well then Go make satanic


@Eustace2

Yeah i know hahaha...=)) Many people had corrected me witht that though



@ EVERYONE

hey anybody want to help me make a hero idea heheh...something we can be all proud of if you want to help me either message me here or... add me in Yahoo messenger zephyr_course05@yahoo.com OR aDD me in GG client = blooo thats all

another nice strat from you blooo...great guide!leave some noobs like pudge for me!

Aww..This panda hurts us too much
Like my strat also
9/10 good job

i really like this strategy..the ulti is the best fro pro players and for good having micro but for a simple player 15 sec ulti is very little...you cant make anything

Can I Make a panda w/ level 1 ult i dont use it too much though

whats the difference between the three levels?

all i could see is that it will just last longer and make the 3 pandas tougher

anything more special besides whats given by the game???

perfect strats i guess. i was using primal split to run away from enemy before. think i should try this now. thanx a lot blooo!

@ Dread lord


First of all Primal is important that is your 2nd wind.....


Lvl 1 - 3 are diffrent The pandas are tougher they last longer....

...still thinking about a new build for panda...

i think you should get abttlefury first

It's not actually 84% its lower i think but it still pretty much perma dodge. besides he has drunken hase level 4 is 75 miss chance on top of his dodge.

2 Butterflys each give 30dmg 30 agil 30% dodge 30% atack speed. For two together thats the same as 2 Hand of Midas sacred relic 2.4 eaglehorns and a great doge chance. Somehow this is saving money. I think.

How do percent chances stack like attack speed, doge ect. Is it for example. Because this would partially change my oppinion on the 2 Bfly strat i have.

100%x 30%= 130%x 30%= 160%
100%x 30%= 130%x 30%= 169% (my thought)
or something entirely different.

Learn to speak English.
Your strat isnt effective againts pushers enemy. Agree with that guy eyefury. Panda's mana pool is sucks that you must get stat first.

Better get Vanguard first instead of HoD or MoM. Pandas dodge do very well farming and being tank with this item.

I prefer not to get Satanic because SnY is more effective n you dont need drunken haze to harass the enemy if you have SnY (HoT n Vladimir is needed to ownage in long battle). Tough Dagger is a must.

Anyway this is a good strat despite of there is no pushers enemy that wont let you farm n kill that easy. (why don't u get magina in enemy corner? this guy sure will mess you up with his blink n mana break.) Give you 7/10.

@Officer Johny

Dude i speak english properly than you do more over I said yes he does need mana get nulls to suppliment that come on its not like were spamming clap. Clap is vital only if we can afford a kill besides at late game Mana is not any more needed for panda he will sufficient mana at about 800+ at lategame. If you want mana that bad Skip Haze with stats.


OMG SNY come on dude SNY stinks for Panda Satanic gives more survivability Panda isnt a chaser thats why he has blink what were you thinking? And shame on you i already put MOM, Vanguard please thats crap 2 bracers make up for that.

tried ur build, worked well...

I agree to some and not to some. Panda is my number 1 out of my top 5 Dota heroes. As a panda fan, my strategy is quite different from urs. But dagger is really isnt useful for panda. U need mana regen and damage dats wer Battle fury comes in. 5 on 5 battle u start wit chicken and then charge into battle Empty handed. If ur pro at last hit then getting 875 and buying ROH from ur chicken and bringing it to you is nothing but simple clicks wit no stress. So then mana void = preseverance. dis is enough for staying in the lane and no need to return to ur base.after presevernce get Boot of speed and only 1 bracer, this is da part wer u shine in early games cuz dying for u is hard. Complete ur fury then powerthreads. Eye of skadi then HOT as the strat said so. Well finally dis is wer i stop, bcuz im unstoppable and Own b4 i can complete my other items. U can complete ur other item for MKB(recommended just as the strat said)and replacing Bracer for assault(anything u want). Trust me, i know panda better. As for other items, VLADEMER is useless for such a low life steal for panda and skiping vladmer for preseverence is better. BUTTERFLY doesnt stack wit evasion. BURIZO is not needed when u have a free critical already and burizo crit does not stack. SNY is not worth it unlike EOS just as the strat said so.BOT is expensive and just like Dagger so power threads can do tha job. Well im all said and done. I post dis in da other guide

@Casta

EOS is too expensive even with Battlefury it would have too much time to farm it.

Bfury is not that bad but there are more items you can get than this why?

Bfury makes your creeps push farther thats bad enemies will suck off EXP i suggest getting radiance than this Mana regen get nulls or even void better yet Arcane Ring

Go for Radiance

nice strat. i especially like the utility build that clap mom combo is just too good. i totally disagree with casta: #78 comment, panda is an easy kill without dagger if being ganked and u need it to chase and finish heroes.
10/10

Nyc strat... gud explanation regarding the primal split.. could somebudy pls explain to me wat is IMBA and DMA?

i now understand to use primal effectively, but it is hard to do it ini the real game though.......

hurmm~~ not bad~~~

I will try it out!!! Seems good!!!

wahhh thx 4 the strategy ^_^

Oooow maaan...!!
I`m still a rookie in this game...
Let me try it...!!
OK??

Ok lets see, ill definitely try this panda out... Nice stats, easy to follow...

good guide, i like it. and i loved the inclusion of multiple builds for various types of uber panda-ness. Nice guide 9/10

thx its effective

Why dun build battlefury 1st?

..dude..you must add chen for your allies..penitence + attack of yours + thunder clap= KILL!

i think you should get buriza for damage and critical

@Eychung

Hahaha are you kidding me?

Lol you have a crit already why get buriza?

wow... i think that guide sucks....

cool N nice Guide... Thx bRo>>>

Great

threads on panda is bad, you need travels since most of the time you chase heroes. dagger is ok but there are better items you can get. On panda, a sy, rad, heart, ac, heart is usually good enuf.

nice strategy, great against permabashers

Naga siren aint that hard to kill w/ panda? in my opinion. just do ur ulti. use the caster panda. do dispel magic and you know who to kill basicly, rather then usin the clap

marjohn aka MJ nice yang pandaren mo ahh

bruisewits

hmm nice idea ill add that.....

Mangix Vs Sandking ? your guide so good why he need necromicon ?

cool...thx dude for da info

cool...thx dude for da info

haha nice strat man!^_^ very well explained.... good item build....^_^ hope u play GG client or Battle.net hehehe hope to c u there^_^

llooooooooooll idont think any one noticed this but DOESNt monkey king bar's bonus damage cancel out pandas criticals dude monkey king bar is wrong item for panda llooooooooooooll

i must admit in some ways this guide is good but its got ameture written all over it we realy need some more pros on this site!!!!!!! i mean for god's sake u buy a hero who does crial chance monkey king were if you took time to READ it says monkey king bar cancel out any crircal interferance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mm i wouldnt get mkb. buriza and battlefury for sick double crits
MoM owns i totally agree with u on that. escpecially comboing with his slows

u should play him as a tank not that big dmg shit

get dagger, bot, hot, radiance and gg

Please also update you talked before about the effectiveness of Manta style Panda, dunno what the point to use manta.
Also like other people said, need a picture or replay (better replay) how to use primal split properly, because your theory is good, but i always failed while testing it, it`s just too hard..

nice strategy you deserve to have a nice rest, and i dont mean permanent hehehe

good strat but really i dont like panda but ill try :))))

I Love Panda! I wish they create a PANDA Hero Squad with Pandaren as Leader (of course Storm Spirit is there, he's a panda!)

@deremaster

OMG lol oh does it im after here is the damage and IAS lol as you see no the bonus damage does not affect crits please inform me whats your build LOL a skadi? you already have Blink and clap LOL buriza OMG no thanks. Butterfly? Double lol

As you see people Mkb is the only item which not only benefits from pandas crit but it is the only IAS item viable for panda

And yes i am resting on making new strats and im currently playing on GG client

name= blooo please when you add me please tell how you added me and why lol

AND Im not a pro i still have bad games OK so dont expect that i will own you just ask Eustace2 we had some good games and bad

Very NIce!

cool strategy...
i`ll try it...
thanx!

This strat was useful thanks!

w0w!!! tnx for the guide. I'm sure gonna own my friend in our fight tommorow

mom sucks =x

Umm... I've got a question. In your caster panda build, could you possibly micro-ing all your 3 pandas, and the 2 micons? lol i'm not good at microing even only the micons. I wonder if you could micro all them 5.

nice strat, U da shittt

hello Mj, Drew here.. nice guide btw

I find the utility panda with a slice of caster panda best.

2 bracers, treads strength, euls (THIS is the best item ever for panda early on, nice reg and int bonus + cyclone), then MoM, then guinsoo and finaly a MKB or HoT.

Works like a charm and raises ppls eyebrows

nice stratt mate i like chase panda with sange and yasha ;)

nice strat ! Pandaren makes me horny! big ass!

thx this guide really help me a lot
y nt d.haze 1st? vry gud wif mom

sum pics missing

DECENT strat.

I owned my friends using this strat xD

arcane ring,dagger,sange yasha den mkb or satanic

good idea huh!

ok u have a nice build! please give me some advice how to kill omni night! we hav a 4o4 game my allies are barathrum, centaur,Skeleton king and me PANDA! our enemys are chaos night,rexxar,omni night and slardar! what should be the nice kind of build for PANDA? tanx

you can replace drunken haze with stats its alot more better, but good strat

Skill build should be ThunderClap=>Stats=>Primal (lvl 6)==>primal(lvl 11)==>drunken Brawler==>Primal(lvl 16)==>DH Stats are the rest
you dont need DB early game and Dh is late-er

yooh......wicked sick pandas i love it....

thanks ALOT

thanx for the strat. this'll take a lot of practice. 9/10

thanx for the strat. this'll take a lot of practice. 9/10

Decent guide. Though I totally disagree on your reject of EoS. It's way more effective than as compared to SnY since you can't depend on a 16% chance of maiming. And if you're worrying about speed, a blink dagger will take care of the problem. So... great guide overall. Very bad idea rejecting skadi. It STACKS with thunderclap's slow.

well i like to get either hood or vangaurd first, a b-fury, then curias, then satanic with me lil BOT

Lol,kung fu panda OWNS,I just killed 2 heroes at once with him.

my fav hero