COOOOOOOBRRAAAA

I don't recommend getting Frenzy early in the game. Viper has low HP and the additional damage he will take is.. Ouch.

you're totally correct yukino_silvermaine! frenzy is definitely a no-no in early game for viper or even for every hero who has frenzy,.

i like mixing it up with poison and corrosive skin so that you can harrass early and get more gold and experience,.

i wouldn't recommend skadi too coz you already have slow in poison attack and it ONLY costs 30 mana or so,.

You're totally correct too *b*o*n*u*s*! Skadi is useless if you autocast poison attack. I'd rather go for Linken's Sphere. A lot cheaper, HP regen and Mana regen, and decent stat boost. I'll also sell the Wraith Band for a bracer/vanguard or any hp/str boosting items (BKB is not a bad idea.. So is S&Y but it's a bit expensive)

thanks for the suggestions guys

i think the best item for viper is aghanims

Really now hale. Aghanim's for Viper?

lol man aghanim's???? what are you thinking

i'd go with S&Y...just to add bulk in his HP...id also go with poison and stats..

linkin, power treads,and meka will do the job...ofcourse u can add items u want... u have lots of gold if u only buy that 3 im naming above...heheheh

yer frenzy is no way early game ur dead..i rekon shud get go for butterfly striat off

aghanim just give a bkb and mkb thats enuf no nid for any other items. after thet try making ur char as hard as posible to stand out on str based chars and as for frenzy you cld get it already if your that hard enough

Frenzy in early game = u kill urself
Skadi = waste ur gold since u have slowing spell
& for Hale34 -> what viper could do with aghanim???

what??? use frenzy first??? how stupid is that?!! viper has a low hp and by using frenzy at the early game will just make him a sof target... why not ge the 2nd and 3rd skill?? i think thats better....

i dont suggest viper to get butterfly nor MKB.. in my own style i use 1-2 vanguards on viper and an aegis and meka...

Very good strat. I agree that you should get frenzy first to faster kill creeps when there is no heros nearby or to kill a tower fast. At lvl 6 it´s very easy to get a kill by combinding frenzy and poison attack. But i prefer to get butterfly before MKB then Buriza and i the game goes on Aegis and Rapier. As a stats booster i like Linken more then skadi. Late game you can autocast poison attack and have no use of the cold attack. A well written and very good strategy, nice !

any replay? looking for some good team game viper replays

Why not sange & yasha?.

No no not Sange and Yasha its overrated ! You dont really need it just go for damage. Follow the guide (or my changes ) and you will own. But i have realised that if you´re faceing nukers at the start i take 1 or 2 on Corrosive Skin. But Frenzy is very good in the early game because then its easier to farm and get the cash . But only use it when you´re safe and no enemy heroes are near.

Great! Butterfly is good makes killing crepes faster with frenzy ( it will just take a few seconds) if you have buriza and monkey.... I prefer linken sphere though

of course not sangeyasha! because the effect doesn't stack, you can't use poison attack with sange, and aghanim for viper??? LOL

your items are nice but your stats are ****....... max out corrosive skin and poison attck first.... before frenzy

after i read other comments,, yukino is really right.. why not change your EOS for linken sphere,,. skadi is useles if using poison attack... and i rather buy bracer first than wraith band at early game.. you are easy to kill bec of your low hitpoints......

i dont bild a Buriza-do Kyanon ,a prefere 2 basher

frenzy give you lower defencce (receives additional damage when youre hit) i'll rather have s&y first to have an increased HP and movespeed+aspd

though i agree with the tactics on the early game is quite fine

but my real question is why frenzy and not corrossive skin?

im still a noob so plz tell me if im wrong but... i find mjollnir to be a big help when playing as viper

if ur pro..
try making helm of dominator..then buriza..after that complete ur satanic..making MKB and Butterfly will making viper invincible without use poison arrow..

when other hero attack u..it will be slow..and u can get ur life back using satanic

I dont really agree bout getting frenzy. You r still too weak, and if you get caught, u r dead meat! Its better you get the corrosive skin 1st and poison atk..

I've run into a problem using Viper - he uses an embarrassing amount of mana when hunting...how do you alleviate this?

hey, lv1 frenzy is enuf 4 him at early game, i tink... is guinsoo gud 4 him? or arcane ring...

MAKE THAT BUILD AND U'LL BE A CANNED SARDINES..BETTER USE HG INCREASING ITEMS LIKE BRACER IN THE EARLY GAME TO PREVENT NUKERS FROM KILLING U EARLY..THEN PROCEED ON MAKING HEART..IT WILL BOOST YOUR HP AND IGNORING NUKERS..EVEN SANDKING... FRENZY IS NO USE IN EARLY GAME SO STICK WITH CORROSIVE..ESP WHEN DEALING WITH HARASS HEROES...

lol you should do it like this: poison and then skin or u can do it like, poison attack then stats...u nooB

10/10, just for the title...

y do viper need to buy a skadi wherereas he already got Poison Attack???

so you can put stygian and skadi and both of them will work????

Don't need skadi, already have poison. With that money might as well get radiance instead.

your build sucks
anyway guys help me with viper at the forum plz

What i'm doing is PT, Perseverance, MKB, Mjollnir (the most farming item ever)
May be Aegis of the Immortal or Buriza-do Kyanon. This is my technique and it works prety nice

What i'm doing is PT, Perseverance, MKB, Mjollnir (the most farming item ever)
May be Aegis of the Immortal or Buriza-do Kyanon. This is my technique and it works prety nice

What i'm doing is PT, Perseverance, MKB, Mjollnir (the most farming item ever)
May be Aegis of the Immortal or Buriza-do Kyanon. This is my technique and it works prety nice

What i'm doing is PT, Perseverance, MKB, Mjollnir (the most farming item ever)
May be Aegis of the Immortal or Buriza-do Kyanon. This is my technique and it works prety nice

i think MKB and S&Y is better than skadi

So what u guys are saying, that you should get mkb, butterfly, linken sphere, do kanyon?

wut do you mean good in early game and end game, this guy is good overall and needs a serious nerf. even if enchant owns his ass, nothing else really does much on him. 1 downside? after pawning sum1, your suspectable to a melee tank coming and kill you (viper strike is main escape skill) otherwise, VIPER NEEDS A NNNNEEEERRRRFFF!!!!!! (as to dota 6.41) btw nice guide, NO FRENZY IN BEGGINNING since every attack will cost 20 mana, plus 175 mana for ulti. why will you have mana problem? who doesnt after a TRIPLE KILL!!! NICE GUIDE

i dont htink you have to wate 7050 gold for some hp and mana. Better yet to have a SnY.

you can GODLIKES or HOLYSHIT with VIPER if you buy BUTTERFLY+BURIZA-DO-KYANON.IS SUPERB and don,t use CORROSIVE SKIN toooooo early in besause it,s don,t usely in early or mid games

ithink eye of skadi is useless anyway you already have a slowing attack. just viper strike and poison attack is already enough. Its just a waste of money and get wraith band more so you you will die harder.

hm just get lothars edge, buriza and Mkb and you will own trust me =)

treads, lothars, buriza then mkb! ownage!

early frenzy = viper drops dead
end of story

does pioson and skadi stack???

not bad... but I'll better upgrade corrosive skin before frenzy!Just to slow their attack speed you know...

threads,brace,dominator,buriza,satanic,mkb,butterfly = GODLIKE

threads,brace,dominator,buriza,satanic,mkb,butterfly = GODLIKE

max out poistio`n attck and corrosive skin, then get 1-2 points in frenzy in between. Actually, if you1 play viper really well. You prbably wont ahve to use his ulti at all :D.

why go home when you can buy chicken in the beginning?
don't suggest skadi also because it poison attack will go to waste.
try maxing out poison attack and stats in the beggining also, this will immediately make you a formidable opponent

BoT>treads for ORBWALKING>>>
lothar=carry to the extreme
wtf eos? rofl... EoS is waste of 7k. If you can't figure why, go die in a well

VIPER : best hero in DotA

it can kill well of life

it can kill well of life

it can kill well of life (whosyourdaddy)

doesnt eos afect your poison atack???

im a so called expert on viper :P
boots of speed ->
sange & yasha ->
power threads ->
monkey king bar ->
lothars edge ->
divine rapier

skills should go into poison atack +frenzy if fighting non-mages and poison atatck+ corosive sking if fighting mages.

also build Hood of Defiance(+30% spell reduction
+8 hp regen) before sange & yasha if fighting very strong mage.

Yo dude , i'm not agree with skadi, i think poison attack is good enough for slowdown the enemy and i think stat is more important than frenzy in early game, because viper need mana for poison attack and viper strike, but it's quite good strategy overall

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good ,thankx.....

wow
thx
you make Viper with frenzy
u re the best ATM(automatic teller machine)
frenzy is a no at early game
if u do that u will make your enemy rich

Y a eye of skadi if u have skill that slow ur enemy? I don get it. However, good strat.

the easiest item build for viper is
basilius, power treads, persivearance, vamguard, buriza andmekanism..
thats what i do..
but hey..
aghanims on viper!!
hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nvr wudv thought of that
cuz i aint dumb ya know..
lol..
also frenzy during the start sucks..
they'll just hit u more than you'll die faster...
dumbass..

hey dumb dumb.. i dont think you should use frenzy at low level just build it up.. its stupidity to use it asap..

two things not to do with viper:
1 get aghanim (useless)
2 franzy early game (20% more damge ruin you early game and mid game because low Hp...)
I think a good item build don't get EoS, useful but also expensive. Have you tried Radiance with him? Superb I must say!!! viper=best hero killer? for me, yes he is!!!

everyone, just get power treads, MKB, lothars edge, linkens, butterfly and buriza

= FULL OWNAGE!

i get basilus, bracer, boots, perseverance. then it depends. if youre against nukers/stunners, i go for a vanguard since poison and viperstrike is enough to kill anyone and you just need to stay alive. then treads. if your in a hurry to get damage items, go battlefury with your perseverance. or go crystalis->buriza and form linken with your perseverance later. with basilus and perseverance early, you can harass your opponents to death with poison. theyll end up with a big level gap against you with them going back to the well to regen all the time.

i also get frenzy last, stats first. viper is like jelly early game, too easy to kill if frenzy is activated.

uhm! skadi??? i dnt think so bcus that is useless becuz it will cause orb effect so i dnt recomend that sorry! bro en ur frenzy! its too early i recommend item for viper is power thereds heart of taraques and MKB Buriza and butterfly and radiance of can collect them nothing can stop him hahaha!

anyone has other suggestions for tis hero?

Bleh!

i use this hero when are team plays for money i always go solo mid then my skill build is first the poison attack then stats until level 6 so u have life and can spam more then get curosvie skin thats good for spell reduction buy vanguard first very important in early game cuz when you battle against pors expect that always when they are not in their lane.. then get treads and raidiance dont backstab or gank only gank if ur sure u can kill it use your oportunities to farm cuz viper is very strong in late game aftar this u can get expensive items easily then i get heart after if the game still is not over get mkb for aded damage this build has never failed me

eye of skadi doesnt stack with poison!

@bloated

look at comments 2-4.... lol

Nice strategy though, even though you already were told several times to not have a Skadi because it makes no sense on viper, you still haven't updated your strategy..

Otherwise, okay strategy:6/10

One last question.. did you ever actually use skadi on viper? or just put it in this strat for no reason? lol..

Plz respond.

well i like this hero..its perfect for new players!

best hero..try it if ur new

Your Stats Build is a not effective in a team battle. Just max out Corrosive Skin & Poison Attack before putting Frenzy to your Stats Build.

BtW, your item build is good except for EoS, just change it with HoT or Radiance.

noob question. whats a good str item for viper and if i use mask of m... does it stack with the frenzy??

MoM overides frenzy. if ur going to use MoM use it after frenzy expires and is in cooldown. but i think its better to use your gold for farming items. maelstrom/mjolnir is quite good since with the increased attack speed, u hav a greater chance in releasing chain lightning.

Anyone know Vipers fool proof counter?

viper's counter will be heroes that can kill him before he sees what happens. i think bone clinkz?

0/10

worst guide for viper ive ever seen

I would suggest only getting level 1 frenzy at early game so you can farm/deny better. 5% damage increase aint a great deal. Why EoS? You have natural slow skills. I would also suggest a HoT or Soulbooster... with Frenzy, HoT is your only chance of survival. I choose BoT over PT as frenzy is good enough for attack speed.

My build was completely different to yours when I first played Viper, I got lvl 1 frenzy, skin and poison maxed. I got BoT, Butterfly, Crystalis, HoT and a BKB (was against Atropos, Lion and Bloodseeker)

And theres really no point on using Poison attack after being ulti'd the 18/sec really dont do much, use it afta ulti wears off.

Viper's items:

power treads
vanguard
butterfly
MKB
radiance
Maelstrom( if ur a good farmer get Mjolnir)

Comment: don't get frenzy early game...get corrosive skin instead. It'll help you alot through early game and it''l help in arming.

poop is tastey

@yukino and bonus!

your wrong!

100% attk spd even with the 20% extra damage is imba for begginning. situation is everything though. dont be an idiot with it

bracer,wraith,vguard,threads,dagger, crystalis,burize,mkb ~ all dmg items and i prefer dagger than lothars but thats just me. blink to kill or exit.

lvl 1 frenzy at first or not at all since its easy to last hit n deny using viper. start killing when u get dagger. squeeze in bkb after crystalis if there are lots of disablers/stunners then proceed to the next item. if u cant kill solo get a buddy but dnt forget to always kill coz thats ur role.

p.s. use ur mana wisely. dnt poison if u dnt have to.. duh. i agree viper should be nerfd.. played it 1st time got 3ple kill. this character has no art whatsoever. noob favorite even ur girlfriend can play this

Please inform me, Which is the best hero to be used against viper???

Nice guide. Who are the worst enemies of viper and tips to encounter him.

@uZi

Viper is so thoroughly balanced that he actually has no specific weakness, whether early-mid-late game. He is strong at ALL stages of the game. Therefore unless you ppl gang up to fight him, do not automatically assume that you can kill him 1v1. And in the hands of a good player, Viper is a holy shit nightmare enemy.

nice info! tnx

nice info! tnx

nice info! tnx

Frenzy early sucks Skin early owns, why the HELL Skadi.

Good. But I feel that Buriza-do Kyanon should be the primary focus.

panget build

I'm not sure about Eye of Skadi but i like the other items. Maybe you can try Radiance

good

In order:

Power Threats
Helm of Dominator (Satanic)
Butterfly
Buriza
MKB
Radiance

It's easy to get all of those items if u know what r u doing.

Oh!!! ...

nice strategy

pretty good! this is how i usually play viper! hahaha I'd like to see other builds though

good guide overall, but gettin frenzy at the start is bad because the extra damage on vipers already low health

hmm, comments..

1. Skill build
frenzy on first? what do you need this for in early game? If you're looking for FB, then orb-walking and poison attack is more than enough, and corrosive skin IS good for early game, since it'll give you damaged reduction esp when your enemies are nukes, so i don't quite agree with the skill build

2. Item build
what EoS for? since you're already have poison attack, and if you're looking for the other stuff that skadi gives, it can easily replaced by vanguard, and NO RADIANCE? this is a must for viper, since it will make him dangerous even more + help farming more, frenzy + radiance = gold(i personally will make this first before butter), and usually i even don't need butter, radiance + buri-za + BKB (if my enemies are spell caster,and it gives you HP, and it also good for escape mechanism, which you don't provide on your item build) are usually more than enough for damaging, but butter as always is a fine choice, and yes , i don't and won't build MKB for this guy since i already had radiance with me.
And in late game, PT is somewhat useless for viper IMO, you might want to replaced it with hyper + BoT, not an expensive thing to get since you had radiance

3. early game strategies
usually i don't buy RoR, since i'm chasing vanguard, i'll farm with tangos + ironwood and harass often to my enemies (this is somewhat a few heroes that can survive 1 vs 2 on early game IMO, depends on the enemies also really), therefore i'll be on top line of senti or bottom line of scourge to make me easily create vanguard, this is a good item for surviving since viper don't have survival skills with him, and MKB won't guarantee you to do so


4. Mid game strategies
again, no survivability item, depends on the enemy, HoD / BKB will be a good optional item, esp since this is when the ganking starts, and with your such build on mid, you'll be easy prey

4. Late game strategies
DR? i will say chasing DR = suicide, since it will makes you become number one target for the enemies, not that you're not before. HoT will be much better, or even another butter. And again, no survival items either, it as if you 100% sure that your enemies won't cast any spells to you

5. Lack of best allies and fear heroes information
best allies : mostly slower since it can makes your enemies almost can't escaped, such as venom, enchant, drow and other, perma bash heroes also good , such as AM and void, and even stunners such as SK, or sven will work just fine

Fear heroes
such as :permabash heroes (definitely), illusioner heroes , such as azwraith , and others

6. No screenies, that makes your guide become somewhat bored to read, and also somewhat lack of depth about viper, like how to use his skills optimally, esp for hero killing

i appreciate the guide-writing effort though, but unfortunately not for the guide really. I can't find anything in this guide that somewhat helpful for people who start playing and learning viper

Therefore, i can only vote 3/10 for this guide, sry

-Regards-

Y'all Y'all Y'all

stop quarrelling!!!!!!!!

i have an idea!!

if u want it, then try it. nothing bad can happen just don't try it when you have an opponent putting some bet on your game.

1.) power threads - fast attack and fater mobility

2.) vanguard - for range and melee opponents. quicker regain of life +250 life.

3.) sange and yasha - more str=more life+maim. more agi=more ASPD+more MS

4.) MKB - more ASPD + damage

5.) buriza-do-kyanon - critical + damage

6.) butterfly - ASPD + damage (aggre viper users)

or

assault cuirass - armor + ASPD + auras for creeps and opponents (defensive and pusher vipers)

try it on

if something has a mistake, then make a correction then. just pm me

for god damnnnn!!!!!!!!!!veryyy strongggggggggggggggggg damn you viper!!

I think I'd rather get vanguard than ring of regen. Since Viper is very very soft, i use vanguard so that it would prevent me from going to fountain trips and it will make me harder

Awch having frenzy within early game is hesitating........ but the item build is good i should try that...... but I'm not a good farmer though.....

Frenzy in early stage = good, if ur dying, i recommend RUNNING plus viper already has a low hp, who da heck ask u to rush forward???

hyperstone?

this guide totally sucks...
DO NOT GET FRENZY EARLY or u want to back fountain every minute? stats are rly more efficients ~~

items : tread / wraith / buriza / skadi lol wtf?
Just get bot + bracers + mkb , then make hot or butterfly or crystalys.

what the purpose of poison attack if viper is equiped with EyeOfSkadi?
sayang ang itemslot...

tsk tsk..

lol, wrong iteam build and wrong skill build!

I likeee very much, very niiice

nethedrake is my 1st fav hero in dota... and i know the item that would defeat him "mekanism"

i dont think Skadi would help... MKB + Butterfly + Buriza is already enough... just buy Lothars for an escape mechanism and its waaaay cheaper..

skadi sucks, poison attack is more effective than skadi, + tarrasque is much preferd than skadi

yeah! frenzy is not that applicable early in the game.. I would prefer increasing poison and stats so you can pump up viper's hp early in the game..

How about this thing...

In the skills...

I usally go with corrosive den poison attack den lvl.6... Frenzy should be taken after skill 3 and skill 2 is fixed den last is the stats...

In the gameplay...

when facing a hero, try to auto cast skill 2 and hit him... dis will slow him and wen his life is low, den ulti!
In late game you can auto cast skill 2 and frenzy and hit him, and when your mana is half, do viper strike and continue to hit him... that sure will be deadz...!!!

In the items...

I go first w/ treads den radiance... radiance because corrosive + radiance will make you first in the ranking and also damaging your opponents... then Sange and Yasha for speed and MKB for damage... then go for a linken's sphere and then butterfly... ur ultimately strong!!!

Try this!!! It's fun!!! Open for comments and suggestion!!!

is the buriza do-kyannon is recommended?

is the buriza do-kyannon is recommended? and cramnium basher?

i go for 2nd third skills or 2nd stats hehe uhm for the items i go for

1threds
2MKB
3Butterfly
4radiance
5tarasque
6blink

maluf8 man!!! pD na...

max out corrosive skin first d0odz. you don't have enough mana for frenzy and viper strike early game

niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

so hale,ur using aghanim's? lol r u kidding me? lol

tnx a lot....turuan mo nman ako minsan...

i tHOught, it is nEceSsaRy fOr vipEr tO obtAin a SY itEm?! hMpf.. bUt aNaWy, i Luv vipEr sO mucH, i wOn't cHange mY fAve cHarACter.. it's jUz viPEr;; ;o

This is a joke guide, right?? For FUN only!!

nice one

he should add corrosive skin in early game, not frenzy as it has low health

need life!!!!
=)

I not use my Buriza-do Kyanon in my item build because I'm already have MKB,I replace it with my Linken's Sphere

ur guide is not vry gd but u should rcomend more life items
ima noob but i can say u ned to work on u vipers

I don't recommend getting Frenzy early in the game.
ur 2 skill + skadi?????

i would prefer vanguard and dun prefer EoS and adding corrosive skin at first is btr

EoS is useless to viper

early frenzy only lets you die coz u take extra damages

I don't agree with purchasing eye of skadi. Viper has its poison attack so instead of buying such item, why not try items to support viper's armor/hp etc.

Maybe Sange and Yasha fits to Viper. Besides, orbs stack on range heroes so just imagine each poison attacks would be stacked by maim effects.

Try to add linken sphere in your build. It may help in preventing nuke damages from heroes like Slayer, Demon Witch, etc.

well is a good strat.. but as some people there said... you wont need frenzy in early game, as a matter of fact, "as u said" the poison is the THING that you must maximize as soon as possible, because is a non-high mana use spell and its very effective in a chase... i thought that the frenzy must appear in middle... when u have the enough resources to get a devastating chase... well is only my opinion....
and the linken sphere someone posted down... it depends of the game really...

FYI guys..
when viper has a skadi..
he will be unstopable..
cause skadi does not stack with poison strike(poison strike doesnot stack and its not an orb effect)
So SUPER SLOW will be annoying..
but skadi si expensive tough
id try mkb with vangurads and mix it up with buterfly and buriza and if i own them,,
ill try getting skadi^^
FRENZY...
Here in phil. we really dont use frenzy for viper we put it around lv 16-20
for pushing, farming, and killing^^

can gorgon purge herself away poison ??? pls. answer

dude, frenzy at early game is kinda good coz of the attack speed bonus, but it reaks b'coz of the additional damage intake, and coz u have low hp, that's all. . . ^_^

I go along the lines of:
stout shield,tangos n branches
then; Ring of Health and vitality bstr 2 cmplte vangaurd.Dis alows u 2 stay out n farm gld n gt da extra exp..the lnger da betr.

Once id farmed enough i'd go bk 2 base and gt powertreads, more tangos(8-10 for a reason) and 1 or 2 saphire flasks.Den id stay 4 ages(6hp/s tangos n flasks do that job)until i cud aford sacret ralic n some more tangos n flasks.Aftr comin up a 2nd time id farm enough 4 Rads recipe,prt of dps item and flasks.

uhh bad guide =.= u no u only get like 15k gold per game.... your guide shows u need like 20k lawlz

This hero is godlike...