The Ice Age

just a view problems, by the time u start ur hero killing, first blood is long gone man, somebody will get first blood before that, you can try to kill earlier then lvl 7. and another thing, dark ritual is AMAZING early game!! its an auto deny, it doesnt give u a deny, but hey, ur opponent doesnt get the exp, so i count it as one. and it makes it so u can spam ur nova, and not have to wait til 7 to kill.

Agreed on SexualPanda. Better get Dark Ritual instead of frost armor. I usually get Frost armor around mid game since poeple usually hunt for heroes that time.

Thanks guys, but I think that I can use potion instead of Dark Ritual. But, if you think that Dark Ritual is better, its ok! Thanks for the comment!

Dark Ritual isn't just for mana,it's for not letting enemy to level as fast as you do.Potion of clarity can't do that.

Oh yeah, forget about that. Thanks everybody!

will an aegis and eye of skadi be good for the lich instead of mekansm and guinsoo?

You dont need skadi, coz the slow effect can be done by Frost Nova. And aegis, can be change by mekansm, more cheaper. If you gonna die, just use it, and run!

as sed b4 dark ritual is good. but you also forgot ur refresher..

Refresher? I think you dont need it. One ulti is enough for Lich. The damage is already high! And from the help of Dagon, refresher orb maybe useless.

uhmm can i ask if late game can i make battle lich since his frost nove will only be scatch for those STR heroes??? therefore i was thinking make him use aegis then repier or lotars and repier?

Its ok Yicong. You can sell the Mekansm and Basilius to buy your item. Thanks for reading my strategy guys.

I dont really understand what is the best item for lich. it think soul booster first,dagon and aghanims then

You can get 1st blood at lvl 4 or 5 man... Frost nova then ritual for denying...

good guide:)

is venomancer a threat to lich?

I really don't think this is a good build... U don't need dagon at all for lich... What u need to do is practice to release your chain at the right time... U don't need dagon if your chain is right.. And dark ritual is very important for early game, in fact, I always get dr first before nova at level 1 to deny the first creep... And 1 more thing, nova is not 175 damage.. Some of the nova damage is hit on the hero as well.. The nova damage is usually almost 300 (225 after magic reduction).. And you should've put the 25% damage reduction to make things clearer..

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No offense but I really don't think this is a good guide for lich. U absolutely don't need a dagon for lich cuz your chain is simply strong enough to kill. All u need to do is practice to release the chain frost at the right time and its a definite kill without the dagon. (Practice is the key) And dark ritual is very important early game cuz u can spam the nova without thinking about mana. This is much better than clarity cuz it instantly gives u mana and deny the creep at the same time and of course, its free.. And frost nova is not 175 dmg. Some of the nova damage is also hit on the hero casted.(The damage is usually almost 300-25% magic reduction). And u should've input the magic reduction in the dmg calculation cuz there is always a 25% magic reduction in dota.

Sorry for the repeat lol some internet error... I thought the first one didnt get posted..

soul_father, Chain Frost is not just about practice. it's partial luck and skill. this guide is pretty good in my opinion. the items are very much correct especially with Aghanim's Scepter and Mekansm build. Dagon is optional for me but against heroes with high HP, Dagon comes in handy after Chain Frost.

err.... y gt the power treads? Yes, he is a slow attack guy, but his killing skills are not meant on his AS, he is an INT, so use ur magics, which means, get Skepter 1st and othr mana item increase

yea frost armor is not that important early game, but dark ritual is a must dude, its like an arcane ring without the cost, u can keep spamming frost nova. other then that your build is good. 8/10

Guinso is ok. Dagon is ok. BUT NOT TO LEARN DARK RIT ASAP? What the hell are you thinking? Dark ritual is an imba skill. It gives off mana and is an auto-deny. A huge advantage in early to mid game. I can't believe the moderator approved this strategy. It's basically flawed from the core. Anyone who knows how to use Lich will go Nova and Rit ASAP. it enables Lich to fire his nova nonstop without refilling home making him a nasty harasser in early game.

During early game with venomancer, you'll get killed if your not careful with his combo (poison nova + shadow strike) since lich's HP is still low. But later on, you'll own venomancer anytime.

anyways, i wanted to ask if chain frost bounces if there's only one target. I tried using it with venomancer while he's trying to escape and there's no creeps beside him. And it seem like CF bounced on him til he dies. Can anyone confirm this?

Chain should not bounce on a single target. There must have been a new creep wave incoming where you couldn't see. Or neutrals. I don't think it hits invisible units.

this isnt a bad strat for lich
personally i play basicly the sam, execpt my build is different
3 null, pwr treads and skadi by mid-late game aganims for the shiner at the end

I think this is a not bad guide... but like you stated... u have to prepare for losing not just winning.. i think ur item build is not practical in a sense, it is only good if ur team is dominating. however if ur team is losing, it will be hard to complete scythe by mid game.

personally i buy boots and ROR den buy 2 sobi mask.

wif this 4 u can start to own by lvl 6-7 if u pump ur stats and nova in th beginning with ritual lvl 1 just to deny.

It sounds werid but if u can rach stats lvl4 and hero level 11 with 2 sobi... u can practically spam nova continuously and still have enough left for chain. item build at this stage i would agree with darkshadow.

And one thing not many ppl see is tt chain is best served as a BS. again i know it sounds werid but it is more of the psychological impact. just yesterday i go a lothar after getting the 4 itms i mentioned. and manged to get 5 kills with one double kill by lvl 10. 3 of the kills were from me ww behind the enemies .. nova, chain attack and nova if the bugger din die.

i know what i said is really werid... but i came up wif this strat in order to survive the carnage of some of the professional players i met who were training to go WCG.

Biblebash, i agree with u that chain frost is a bit of luck based.. A skilled player would know how to evade the bounce.. But still, u do need some practice to properly land a good chain frost.. Darkshadow I don't mean to be a smartass saying this guide is bad cuz I'm not a guide maker myself.. But there is just too much flaw.. Frost nova is not 175 dmg.. The nova damage is hit on the target as well as the enemy hero/creep around him.. And what version did u make this from? Lich ms is 295 and his range is 500.. And not learning dr early and buying treads? I just don't think u are guiding lich to its true potential..

And dagon for lich? Man dagon is 3000 and u should be getting soul booster instead.. Yeah dagon would be a lot of fun as u will get lots of kill early game.. But think about what a waste it is late game.. 3000 is not cheap..

frost nova does the extra nova damage to the single hero as well. so its 300 damage.

u shld get frost ritual instead of armour as lich has low mana pool at start.

i ussualy buy dagger for lich
its awesome!! you have to wait for the right moment and then blink, chain frost.. dagger helps you to avoid being gang also.. nice!!

if you're not going to get dark ritual, might as well go for stats, sorry but never liked forst armor

personally i like to buy the scepter and a refresher orb on lich 2 lvl 4 ultis for a almost garunteed hero kill.

Thnx Mate

Nice Work

KeeP it Up

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DARK RITUAL=FREE DENY+MANA
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DAGON? LMAO
WHAT A NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB
Treads>BoT?
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Overal...
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hi WeaveMyWayIntoYourBase,
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB"
flaming. do not do it.

"DAGON? LMAO" nice....that doesn't help anybody...say WHY you didn't like it.

and other stuff im too lazy to quote. the point is..you rated it 0/10 (from your comment) because

-you disagreed on a small part of skill build

- you disagreed on a couple of items.

WTF? mebbe read teh guide and THEN rate it cuz i have a feelin you just looked at skill build and item build.

IIRC a good lich player will always take dark ritual early game. Have u any idea how much denying lich can do with that skill? And how much nova-harassing he can do with that skill? And how much of a level gap he can cause to the hero vs yr lane? Seriously he in a pain in the neck when used by pros, but sorry - he's just another skeleton if i use yr guide. 3/10

Weave MyWayIntoYourBase, please do not flame here. Stop calling other people noobs just because you do not agree with their builds. For your information, i have much success in my early days of dota buying dagon and treads for Lich..

dagoon for lich?? sheeesh.....

Wow.. Cant see my other post O_o.. Just wanted to say: Good job! (^-^)b 6-7/10

I never thought to use Guinsoo for Lich....

Pretty cool strat.. thanks !

WeaveMyWay dont spam jus keep the bad comments in ur mind btw sry but i think most of what he says is true sry except for dagon u nid dat oh yeah get ritual first

Normally when I deny, I kill a low hp unit. but isn't it a waste to use dark ritual (25 mana) when your only get 15% or 30% of the hp in mana, from a low hp creep?
And if you kill a full hp unit that's a waste too, no?

i think eye of skadi is a must have item for this hero - with the frost nova the hero wouldnt move anywhere.

You said sand king is your worst enemy it think it could be your best ally instead.
Epicenter to clear the creeps then chain frost to the enemies.

i love his fucking skill!!!!!!!!!

OMG this guide rock for me!!

I'm new to this forum, and i'm looking for a lich guide, particularly some guide that will change my game of play using lich.
I found two results and one is this.
By reading your guide, i have some comments based on my experience using lich:

1. SKILL BUILD
The way you said that you don't need dark ritual,i disagree with you, this skill i found very useful from the first until late game (you can use it to deny creep in early game and use it for free mana resource from early ->late). Imagine if you're not good at denying and both of you and your opponent have the same creep . let's say 7 vs 7, by using DR to your full healthy creep, it becomes 6 vs 7 for your opponents, and losing 1 possible gold + exp resource is VERY annoying for an early game, not mentioning if you're good at denying than you can lower it more E.g 5 vs 7. And also you get mana from it so you can use it back again to harrass your opponents with nova. Yes i know, it will make you loosing creeps, but it can also makes your enemy to come more closer to your tower , which i think is a very good thing for lining (hold your line as long as possible and use your tower fully < my way of playing), and DR is FREE and DIRECT, unlike clarity that use gold and + over time, so i hope you will change your skill build in the future updates (if there's any)

2. ITEM BUILD
- mekans at late?
a definite no no
since lich doesn't have survival skill, so mekans come in very handy. It can heal you (and your buddies), gives you armor (works perfectly well combined with frost armor), and have support aura (3 hp/sec regeneration). I would suggest buying this at early game as fast as you could (like i did), since, like i said before, this item is handy, from early to late. But NEVER in late game
- power treads
what power treads is for? lich is not a fast hitter and power treads doesn't guarantee you to do so. His hit also, err.., didn't hurt alot? than his skill damage (nova and CF), although since there's HOD nova becomes quite sucks IMO (that's why i usually make dagon/aghanim to help more..). But NOT treads. Instead of treads, i prefer boots to be upgrades to BoT (control lining, escape mechanism, instant support mechanism < what else can you ask for?), since lich, err.., quite slow IMO
- NULLS
i hardly ever buy this one, this because i hardly loss mana , since i have DR, and for others stuff that nulls gives, i feel mekans has do the job. And instead of nulls, i prefer bracers / BKB (like you said, lich has a low HP, but this also optional)
- Guinsoo
again, i also hardly buy this item, i usually only come until euls, but this in most cases is not an effective item for lich
- you forget dagger, like i said, lich doesn't have any survival skills, so dagger could do the trick, or even BKB maybe (sounds silly but you're staying alive, and that's not silly). Not mentioned mekans

3. WORST ENEMY
./omg you're only put SK as your worst enemy? and yeah , like he's really that trouble. Yea you're right his epis annoying , but what are novas for? novas CANCELLED epi, just wait until he epis than nova straight away, and you even don't need hex at all. and with dagger/BKB in your hand (considering if he's using BKB for spells immunity), he's REALLY not that much of a problem.

For me, lich worst enemy is :
1. those who have permabash, that even with BKB and dagger won't help you alot,
such as void, magina (this guy also have mana break and mana void, very very annoying...), and troll
2. blink chasers, such as rikimaru, magina (again, him), akasha, and mortred
3. TANKS, almost any tanks, esp in late (or probably mid) when your nova (and perhaps your CF) feels tickles to him, such as centaur, leviathan, and tiny

and for me, lich is more to be supportive hero than killer hero, thats why, when im playing lich, my build item core is (as a supportive hero of course)
- mekans + boots
- dagger (for surviving)
- soul booster (again, for surviving)
- BoT (pushing and defending)
- aghanim (need i say more?)


others than that (such as dagon, refresher, and euls/guinsoo) depends on the situation really


I appreciate your work effort for making the guide though, but i found it somehow misleading, therefore i can only give you 4/10 (mostly the 4 is from the effort, and nothing more, sry)

well. its only an opinion, and i hope you take this as a constructive opinion than flaming

- Regards -

Dark shawdow, i also say that your strategy should show that lich is really a early-mid game hero, not just a mid game hero
there is a strategy where you get dark ritual first and deny a lot of creeps
lich can deny so much
the strategy is really in lane choosing
you choose to pick the lane where one of their heroes is soloing, and you team up with another castor ( like ogre magi) and jus spam, deny and kill him
you can really cripple a team by getting a huge early advantage and completely making one of their heroes useless due to his low level

definately disagree with early frost armor.
and dagon
i prefer mjollnir , dps them all
and necronomicon for hp and mana and attack speed and move speed
obviously treads.
hood of defiance and tactic is useless.

stupid strategy guide..

for me personally just get:
nova
dark ritual
nova
dark ritual
nova
chain frost
dark ritual
frost armor
frost armor
frost armor
frost armor
stat
stat
stat
stat
stat
stat
stat
stat
stat
stat

Dark Ritual even goes first than Frost Nova in early game

ok ridiculos item build pt no no lich isnt a dpser. dark ritual over frost armour early game denies , give u mana,

i agree with [melvinwaa]'s skill build.

Hmm, this is a good strat. But heres my build
Hood of Defiance - Ag's Scepter
as a beginning

i think there is something wrong...

yes! you said that frost nova deals 175 dmg.....

i also think that putting dark ritual as soon as you are lvl. 2 is good...

when doing that i got first blood while still lvl 2..

power treads?? Why not boots of travel!!?

i dont like the skill build when u put on frost armor cuase you get lots of mana from dark ritual so they you dont need mana regen, its just a opinion tough

other then that nice Guide

a more powerful lich, nice strategy

getting dark ritual helps lots of mana and you could add shiva's guard to the items ive tried it this way and his chain frost is imba and u can win 2 on 1's most of the time..

other than that it was a great strat. keep up the good work

GJ!!

problems dude, you should put on dark ritual first, you get mana, they dont get exp. you can kil below lvl6 dude

ur the lowest!! fucker more!!

wowwww gud strategy.....but if u got low hp then someone try to kill and u cant run quoestion...how can i def.my self 4 a hero like rikimaru and faceless bec..they got me sick once they try to hit me

hey great strat i go for a similiar build but i ignore dagon and learn dark ritual first but thts just me...

oh i forgot to add that i get mekansm and i tried a tank lich(with shiva's guard )pretty imba...

i have a really different build to lich. A REAL ICE AGE! I get a hood of defiance, dagon, shivas guard, eye of skadi, and aghanims scepter

A not so good guide . . . see the skill build (usually i get DR first to spam nova)

i wanted to start my own religion, so i did

stupid item build totally wrong for lich all he needs is eye of skadi BoT and scepter

stupid guide,tottaly wrong skill and item build for lich

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stupid guide totally wrong build for a lich

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i wanna know why u all think dagon is so bad its not for lich .... u never run out of mana with dark ritual and a guinoos (if u getg it) so y not have an extra 400 damage but ya know w/e tickles ya fancy ....

i dont know the dagon thing but for me this are just my main 2 items for lich meka and aghanims then uhm hehe travel hehe but anyways its just how you play lich his last skill deals ouch! you can go for an instant first blood it just depends on how you use him normally w/ average oponents i can score a soul booster straight w/out going home this is a 3on3 match i only buy in start--headress of rejuv. then straight for aghanims then go back to base to buy shoes and meka for my teamates the only problem with lich is or should i say with most int typ heros its kindda hard to last hit and deny with them thats why you should as well harass then throw you last skill when you reach lvl 6 then go for the push


1Boots Of Travel
2Aghanims
3Mekanism
4Guinsoo
5Refresher
6Linkens

thats my build hehe

i forgot in my post guyz it just depends on how much gold you have if you think you can go straight for soul booster better buy meka it may help you more...

I strongly disagree with your skill build.

My build:

1. Frost Nova
2. Dark Ritual
3. Frost Nova
4. Dark Ritual
5. Frost Nova
6. Chain Frost
7. Dark Ritual
8. Frost Nova
9. Dark Ritual
10. Stats
11. Chain Frost
12. Stats
13. Stats
14. Stats
15. Stats
16. Chain Frost
17. Frost Armor
18. Frost Armor
19. Frost Armor
20. Frost Armor
21. Stats
22. Stats
23. Stats
24. Stats
25. Stats

This Guide is very noobish beause.. Who Buys Ring of basilius ? When he got dark ritual ..

WTF what is this a joke

1/10

u should skill build 1and 3 first

dark ritual is great early game
BTW, i'm indonesian too

my teamate was lich & our enemy was stupid because of lich's chain nova.if ur enemys r togethr than dey will die because of the bounce effect

Not one of the best strats ...