The Power of Poison (Part 2)

First comment :)
Well, a bit concise but Lothar's is a must have, or at least blink dagger. He has no means of escape.
I believe Hood of Defiance is better as it stacks with Corrosive skin if you get it b4 u learn it.
Just my opinion but my build is...
Travel
Butterfly
Mjollner
MKB
Buriza
Heart
... That is,, if I can afford it XD.
7/10

Oh yea, Viper will own nearly ANY hero 1v1. Yes, he can own Naix 1v1.

nice guide, but usually when i play viper i get the problem that the enemy always get a manta style so then viper strike doesn't work

In Indonesia, We always build Van Guard Coz Viper have a low hp.
After build Van Guard we build Radiance So no one can come closer to viper.

awww... i have made a viper guide too...

anyway... about early game lane control:

in my opinion, this is one of the main strats that should be discussed, but i think you did not covered it well enough.

in your lane control section, it seems that you only use your orb to harass anyone who comes forward to last hit. also, you never mentioned anything related to orb-walking, one technique that should be mastered by all viper (and heroes with arrow abilities) players.

item build:
almost same as mine but i never get linkens (or perseverance). bkb is superior in terms of avoiding stuns, and you dont need that much mana regen. bottle can provide you enough mana for early to mid game ganks so you wont need perse. about hp regen, bottle can also provide that and in case you dont like bottle, there are better alternatives like HoD(when facing lots of nukers) and vanguard(useful when tower diving).

Nice guide. I hadn't noticed that Veno one was yours too, hmm. As others have said, definitely Lothars edge. Skill build, exactly what I use, makes perfect sense. Items, always debatable but your build works. 10/10. But not as great as Twin Blades.

y with the 2 bracers....u better get it wit HoT?

item build:radiance is the 1st must have damage item for viper which works great with his DPS poisons...then off to SnY,treads,mkb,lothars and the last item depends.

Two Bracers don't cost 5500?

orb walking makes this hero a killer at lvl5 since ur poison has a 0sec cooldown at lvl 3 just harras from far and chase while orb walking dont auto cast like madman said in the strat anyway this should be discussed as it is one of the key things with viper 8/10

at seductas,dont use mjollnir,,ur 2nd skill stacks with mjollnir..if u dont use ur 2nd skill, ur not good anymore..in viper vs venomancer issue, i'll choose viper,builds and users are the issue,the best build wins.or you have the best builds if the user is not so great,and the opponent has some build but great tactic,he;ll win.. VIPER RULES!!! good job madman007..nice work.. i'll give 9/10..kulang kc ung ibang info..

Great guide. I'll go venomancer for the win though..haha...

Good.But if you add some pics it'd be better!

Im sorry if you dont think this guide can match up to my others bcuz its been a while since since i wrote a guide so I was just refreshing my skills.

Oh!So you're telling us to expect some other guide with pics?Looking forward to it!

good guide. 8/10

This is a great, common-sense approach to Viper. I prefer Burize over Radiance, but I'm sure everyone is sick and tired of hearing me say "Burize over Radiance" "Burize over Radiance" "..." you get the point.

I actually would prefer stats to skin, but w/e. This works well enough, 9/10

nice strategy man im a viper user too and in early game i always have problems in hp i buy vanguard first but too expensive but reading your strategy i think 2 bracer will be enough thanks and your right lesale and viper are cool together and lesale shadow strike and viper viper strike stack man kinda cool i try it one's on bristle back hahaha trying to run ded pig :) and who will win i go for viper frenzy with attack reduction and magic and poison attack that slow's you and viper strike ^^ and 10/10 for me :)

Good guide, but I disagree with getting Linken's Sphere. You don't need the mana regen and stats from it, it will only make you a less killer. Vanguard will just do fine...

Well, at least you should get a Lothar's, and you're good to go. Nice guide BTW 8/10

i play him similarly but i take a radience early instead of linkens and then farm BKB, MBK, and Butterfly. this is more expensive but makes it a lot easier to farm.

Sorry guys for leaving out the orb walking section I totally forgot bcuz I didnt really use orb walking with viper in the past. If i update it I will include it.

Nice. I will test this one, becouse i am not so good with viper. Bit i own with venom. =)

Hmm nice guide


Linkens is good i always get that if i farm well but.... Vanguard is also exeptional btw.



Good Job in indicating about the TpScroll


There is always a good counter for Viper and this is it


Linkens Nuff said...If Viper did not make Mkb Linkens Pawn him why?

1.Linkens has a 60 sec cooldown and so is viper strike
2.Once he/she Negates Viperstrike Tp to escape...



If viper gets Mkb i think Mkb negates Linkens i dunno but i think it does.


anyways 9/10


Viper vs. Veno

I think its Veno

Veno with Linkens and Butterfly and Lotharts

vs.


Viper with Linkens Mkb and Butterfly


Veno already negates viper strike whats next? I dunno im not really sure about this fight

Oh please add this in my first Post


Blind Poisoning


I just taught that a couple of weeks ago


Viper goes infront of the range creep and harassing with Poison this is a simpler way in Lane dominance Even if your enemy is range he/she would still have a hard time gaining Xp


Eg.


Magina vs. Viper in bottom lane


Viper uses Blind Poision tactics Magina gets hit by poison definitely Goes back for a while Viper repeats the process instant lvl gap.


Hope that helped its better than the normal Stay behind the range creep then Go hitting than Poison

actually viper and venom,s poison do stack
venom will win

Why Does he need Linken's.
Also For me I use Viper strike at the middle of a fight bcuz it makes the opponent slower while in the fight and if he runs,you can just Poison attack him to slow him down

viper will win because he has frenzy and vemonancer doesnt have frenzy but truely both will be tie beacuse of there posion attacking you

..viper wins..have viper a bkb or a defiance..items is a also a issue.

Why should Linkins be any trouble... wouldn't it just get assigned to block the first Poison Attack? Attack a coupla times THEN Viper Strike?

Why linkens? Why treads? Don't you know that orb-walking means you must have Travels?

And sorry, when i use Viper, no one escapes my Viper Strike, because i use it when they are going to die, not when they are at full health. So TP doesn't cut it and I don't need MKB to stop them. Frankly speaking, I didn't understand why you would need to put them as honourable mentions.

Otherwise Butterfly is ok, bracers is ok, Radiance is ok. 5/10

Yes I agree with most it is a good build...BUT

Why dont you max Frenzy untill lvl 25.... it is a very good skill if you need to out dps your opponent or if you are trying for a kill and you need to finish quickly.

otherwise a good guide 9/10

just one other comment:

Get lothars instead or as well as linkens!!!

linkens could save you ass a few times but if you get lothars they will have to spend cash to find you and in most of the games i play *pro* peaple dont get gems unless they have a very good escape

forgot nevermore in the amplify damage thing

I agree that Lothar's is needed.

I tend to put off getting Frenzy until lvl's 21-25 because I get a Mask of Madness to use frenzy. Basically the same as Frenzy lvl 3, but it only costs 25 mana.

My strat: when I see a hero, I click autocast poison, target hero, activate MoM. Because I hit them so rapidly, they die from slow attack speed and they can't get away cuz they're so slow. Rarely do I need to use Viper Strike to finish (maybe on tanks). The great thing is that this strat takes so little mana, I can get the next hero that shows up by using the Viper Strike and orb walking him. Or, if necessary, use Lothar's to get away. Anyway, my strat makes the Linken's spell block pretty useless.

nice strategy.. ^^,

Despite, yes, my own agreement that Viper should really get Lothars... how many people do that? Something like one in 5?

why doing this items

1.Vanguard
2.Hood of Defiance (for int spammers/Nukes)
3.Threads
4.Radiance
5.MKB

after buying Vanguard buy directly Radiance combo with Corosive skin

By this you will be hurting ur enemy without attacking them

sorry for the post but why dont you put BLADE MAIL/MAILS!!!!!
IF the enemy hero is melee/normal attack based like sven/leviathan etc..
Radiance/Blade Mail/Corosive skin/
I think that each attack on enemy to you will take 100 damge each attack
6th item blade mail

Viper is basically a deadly killer even without the aid of high damaging items(Buriza,Radiance,MKB etc.) Go for items that can keep your viper alive........1 question:I dun get it y everyone is so obsessed with MKB for Viper???If the enemy happens to be Anti Mage or Nerubian Assasin(whom are capable of burning mana well),get something like Eul's to refill your mana right and to stop anyone from teleporting and BLINKING away....(can MKB stop someone from blinking???)

@dota noob

An euls cant stop someone from blinking it will only prolong them from blinking because when they are cycloned they will be invulenerable.

i think dps and escape ability is the key to keep him owning and alive...if u cn kill dem quickly u dnt have 2 chase dem long enuf or their ally would help dem...radiance is good because of immolation,its more on defensive but if you wnt 2 be aggressive use MKB it boost attack speed and gives chances to do 100 xtra damage?i also thnk bkb and lothars is a must,int heroes will start throwing nuke combos on you...lothars for xtra damage and gives escape ability in case they try 2 gank u,butterfly is also a must...BoT is for MID OR LATE GAME...when ur opponent moves faster dan b4...or wen u have 2 escape or get back 2 d base immediately...d rest its good!i give it 9/10 dude...

yay first - 50th to coment...lol ehh its ok just that u need to get frenzy earlier

well, good strat... i've once got satanic(lol?), mkb, i butterfly and i owned game with 17-0 but ur build is nice also, i like linkens sphere for stats, but what bout EoS??? Also bashers and midas build is nice try it... GJ

im new hir..dis is only my opinion 4 viper's item...

POWER TREADS

SANGE YASHA

BUTTERFLY

MKB

BURIZA

REDIANCE


thats all..

@KtN+

The EoS doesnt make any sense bcuz the maie thing about Eos is the slow and you already have a slow(Poison atk) and the both doesnt stack.

You do not understand the concept of lane control. Viper without stats early game is too vunerable and unable to contorl his lane well. Also Viper is more of a mid solo hero. You cannot use his full lane contorl potential unless you orb walk. Also go to www.meetyourmakers.com and watch the pros play viper. They always get a Radiance, this is because to increase the DPS. It is also effective as it is the highest damaging item in the game besides Divine Rapier. If you do not believe me please watch the MYM PRIME NATIONS. It is the international DotA tournament.

Guide 4/10. Power treads are shit, boots of travel for orb walking. No one can escape viper... ... if you orb walk that is. Auto attack all you like and let them escape. The only thing I agree with your guide is the 2 bracers. I really agree with capsian.

Dude, if you get Poison attack for the first skill, then your mana pool can't take it. Unless you haven't noticed, it's 20 mana per attack. but the rest is good.

chaos knight win viper. 1 manta style viper lose, naga siren also can win

good job caspian and loze for pointing those stuff. i cant help but laugh when i saw posts about lothars.

if its earlygame, veno will win. If its lategame, viper will win.

an ok guide 8/10

Venomancer will win... hahah!!!

@People who doubt Linkens


??? Viper strike = Linkens

Linkens blocks Viper strike with excatly the same cooldown

@Shimra_3

If your refering Poison attack no

Linkens does not Cancel Posion attack

thats why Viper's water loo is linkens

thats the point Viper with MKB is the only counter for linkens.


Dagon does not block linkens tried it


there are more skills that Linkens block


I know for the fact that vipers weakness is Linkens since i lost a match with that Ok...v_v nuff said

The hell??? totally viper!!!! muahahahaha

.... i would go
Threads
Vanguard
Buritza
Radiance
Heart
Butterfly

Why linken? Anyways for escaping, your corrosive skin is good enough and whats more you have your vanguard to keep you alive for early-mid game anyways ...

.... i would go
Threads
Vanguard
Buritza
Radiance
Heart
Butterfly

Why linken? Anyways for escaping, your corrosive skin is good enough and whats more you have your vanguard to keep you alive for early-mid game anyways ...

.... i would go
Threads
Vanguard
Buritza
Radiance
Heart
Butterfly

Why linken? Anyways for escaping, your corrosive skin is good enough and whats more you have your vanguard to keep you alive for early-mid game anyways ...

well..nyc..but my item build is:
threads
radiance
linken/BkB
Butterfly
then the next items depends on your enemies or allies...sometimes i put mekanism, Assault Cuirass, or DR... nd i think u dont nid buriza as long as u know how to orbwalk...

I agree to Thony, yeah vanguard is a must because of viper's low hp, and radiance is also great example while orb walking the enemy the radiance also does damages making the enemy loss a lot of hp.

Ah it doesn't. My bad, learn something new every day.

I prefer vanguard over bracers cause vanguard stays useful the whole game. Sometimes I find that midgame I have mana issues (like when ganking) but usually this can be avoided if you just watch your mana. radiance > mkb and only make linkens if you got a lot of cash

gameplay:
i think you should encourage soloing with viper because he has brutal lane control.
item build:
yea i am not a big linkens fan with viper. Travel>Treads...this is a must for killing with your orb walk. i prefer rushing radiance and then heart/butterfly/BKB. its simple and effective, and i fill the other spaces with bracers.this works much better than linkens. i think you should redo the item build, its not very effective at all. i just tried it and i couldnt do anything for my team.
skillbuild:
mostly wut i do, but stat are many times the better choice, especially againest nukers.

@Shimrra_3

Sure no prob....hehe i learn something new everyday too for instance i just recently learned that the flying courier can steal items from Fountains.....Why did i not think of that sooner

Nice guide...
Venomancer still wins though...
He's a bit tougher and has poison domination...

viper le saca su puta

nice guide...BUT WHERE IS THE BURIZA!!

I PREFER POISON ATTACK THEN STATS
at 6 VS. then max out stat then frenzy ^^. GG agi heroes

VIPER HAS THE UPPER HAND AGAINST VENO AT EARLY GAME...

VENO WARDS BUILD WILL WIN AGAINST VIPER

LMAO no diffusal???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? its the main way to pawn early game

hey guyt it would be good still if u addded some pictures

viper because its my favorite

Dagon,Linkens,Butterfly,Burizado,Mkb,Boots
Trigger-linkens with dagon and get viper strike on or You cud get Manta instead of Dagon also.A great manta pusher along with
frenzy

Radiance on Viper is nice and a slow killer

1vs1 level 25 gold=inf. naix can pwn all except u gotta look out for ursa warrior,faceless void and ofc mortred the phantom assassin with that much gold mortred is unstoppable but if u play 1vs1 choose sand king he will kick mortreds ass and wont let her buy the items she needs:D

i think madman007 never uses any of the items in the new shop. or he wrote his strategies when it dint exist..... cuz i think mjollnir is da best item for viper, better than butterfly. after mjollnir, i normally make either bloodstone for higher hp/mana(in case lina's in da opponent team) or i make assault cuirass for increased attack speed and armour......... after that if you still have time and the game's not coming to an end due to even-sided teams, MKB is the best thing i guess. oh yeah, even a dagger of escape is quite necessary mid-game for escape and for kills slipping out of your fingers............... otherwise, this strategy is the best for learning to play dota with poison heroes, especially viper........... 8.5/10 for u sir..........

this is is exactly the exactly like my way of using viper

nice! thnx alot

fantastic

Fiver

To Shaitan...
I totally agree with u mjollnir is very good for viper!!!

hey it is goooooooo

viper will win if viper is the first one to build vanguard................................................... venomancer's shadow strike will be block by the linke's sphere while the poison nova will be block by vanguard........then well....tou have the mkb......

Although I haven't tried it yet what if Venomancer and Viper shadow/viper strike the same time? Kinda cool to see

HOW TO USE VIPER?? BECAUSE I'M A STRENGTH TYPE OF MONSTER...

which hero can own viper

Well, I guess Kardnel Sniper can definitely own Viper if the player is careful enough

Viper are the best...

I read all your strategies mace-windu and I always liked them but mostly those with pics so plz continue

why no mask of death?
the is great with yiper
with the frenzy
[get more damage]

Thanks..

viper owns in ones on ones to threes but usually, he kinda loses his prowess in fours and fives since allies mostly gets the kills. oh well.. 8/10 :D

Learn some here. Thx for that.

Vanguard is a need.

hey is Lothar's good for viper?

oh yeah, what's more important, radiance, or butterfly?

i think venomancer

When you autocast your poison attack, can silencer disabled it? Or Drow Ranger silence your poison attack?

try assault and eye of skadi

Pretty nice . . . I'm impressed in the way you use the MKB for disabling an escaping hero's TP! Good job, mate!

viper.

im a beginner any easy hero 2 use

powerfull command!!1

Hood of Defiance stacks properly now.

it's not as god as your other strategies
but any way it's still a good satrategy
i hope you'll make more strategys because they are some of the best

My build in Viper is...

Threads
2 Vanguard
MKB
Radiance
Dagon


If using TP, MKB can stop him.
2 Vanguard for super survivability.
Radiance + Corrosive Skin combo is very deadly. Add your poison attack and Viper Strike combo. And Dagon for last hit.
It's a sure kill...

good !!!!!

viper will win

good build. 9/10
only thing is its very aggravating because its hard to stop partners from ksing

Id go for stats in the begining rather than corrosive skin because not mnay heros spam spells from 1-6. also id get wraith bands instead of bracers because you already have enough hp if you add stats in the beginning and u want a kill before lvl 6. especially if you're against a melee hero.

Like yr ending. But I find that viper can be stronger than veno, if viper has a high mana pool and has maxed poison atk, the spell has no cooldown and juz spam the skill till yr opponents dead. Well usualy if I've farmed a lot, I get a HoT to replace the 2 bracers. Well yeah, I get a Lothar too.

viper will obviously win. His poison attack is much more effective than veno's and veno's attack is almost all duration so in a 1on1 assault viper would win unnless the sissy duration of the poison kills viper. Also viper has corrosive skin which is another bonus. Harassment in the beginning is more effective with viper because of th extra slow.

Also with regards to your guide, viper has no escape mechanism so id just get dagger after mkb.

WHy Bracer? Ur an AGi hero!!! Wraith band dude! 2 monkeys are better than 1! And Viper vs Venomancer!!! Venomancer!!!the wards are just crazy!!!

Let me see....

For me, no doubt, power tread then lothar. MKB or Buterfly is my late items. I'd rather get an orb item first say the lighting stick. Radiance is not worthy for this hero i think. GO for BdK as the next item.

KingJamez23 are you a total retard? the biggest reason why you take bracers over wraith is that if you play in a 4v4, 5v5 battles surviability is everything, you can't expect viper to not die with his low hp... just think about it, is it better to get the kill and die or to defend and stay alive for most of the early/ mid game..

Actually Viper carry tend to go Bracers, but if he is the babysitter he rather goes for Wraith Bands because it's cheaper and gives a little DPS. And normally you should get Orb + Stats.

"Ok lets begin, I usually choose a lane with a low hp melee hero such as an agility hero like juggy/phantom lancer" How do you know what lane your enemies will undertake?

I dont think you can (unless you maphack ) . I reckon you get a tp before go out and change land if you have. Ofcoz it depends on how your mate feels.

I think viper cos viper corrosive skin can decrease the effect of veno first and fourth skill easily.also veno hp is very low so easy to kill

nice build, i prefer, tarrasque over linkens

Venomancer will own viper so bad

venomancer will win if they fight each other

Poison Attack is orb effect, correct? Which would mean that with Poison Attack on autocast, Viper cannot leech life using items since life leech is also an orb effect.

Please verify this is correct.

Why not get frenzy earlier? Great for burst damage, and with such amazing slow (80% from viper sting) the opponent will probably be dead before he can reach you.

very nicely done! 8/10

the reason for 8/10 is... he has no escape :S... i mean if it was only one hero sure just poison and run, should slow them down... but a LE would be nice in there

Why dont you all try stats over corrosive skin.It increases viper's survibability.Viper over Veno.

cool

i also like HOD
he has 20% MR already
why not make it 50%
also good hp regen with linkins
my build
treads
butterfly
buriza
linkins
HoD
then whatever

viper or lucy?
how?

its no match if you build an Linken Sphere

Viper will win (Venomancer vs. Viper)

viper is stronger ,but if venom will get linkens sphere, the viper strike wont be useful..wahhahahhaha.babye viper..;:)):)):))

i think that veno will win,because his venom's lasts effected very loong time and more damage than viper's venom..

Whats Viper's Ultimate Enemy? Or his Weakness rather?

ohhh, what the fucking items is that ,, bracer??? what the fuck,, helooo viper is agi and bracer is for str,,, noob

Why dont you use vanguard?instead of 2 bracer, it is useless right?

its a pimp strat but if veno and viper had to 1v1 i think it would depend on items they had but veno with septer its overs for viper...:) lol i love dota

To "ALONE EMO"
LMAO, you are the noob, the point of the bracers early in game, is for HP, because viper has low HP in the early stages of the game, just like most AGI types.. So stop flaming, and do your homework...

histhird skill and ult can be escape tools. Massive slowing potential

viper!!!

i think viper will against vnomancer...

i'll go for

BoT
HoT
Radiance
Butterfly
BKB
the 5th is up to you. it depends on what the situation is or opponents..
by the ways thats's 9/10

May I ask if this build for Viper is okay?

BKB
HoT/HoD x2
Butterfly
MKB
Threads
Skadi(optional)

How would skadi work in conjunction with Poison Attack? Would the slowing effect stack?

I like ur strat.

best items for viper:

butterfly, pow treads, hyperstone, bracers, monkey king bar.

first skill - lvl. 1
poison strike or corrosive skin

lvl. 6
viper strike

lvl. 10,13-15
attribute
or start it by 7-9

in assaulting enemies...

* must lure and if ever br the one to get the last hit.
* by lvl. 11 use (in order) viper strike, frenzy, poison.
- for best reesults, you must have hyperstone and butterfly.

in pushing, as always, last hit...

Would blade mail work too in early game? Damage return + corrosive skin... easy creeping, no?

Can anyone tell me how to use the combo of

Viper the netherdrake?????

klsajmd

viper vs. venomancer
made by:unknown28x
i wrote this because it is a match of the two greatest poison heroes!!!!!
(winner is at the end of the comment)

well at first lesale has way more health but his mana is very low

viper has like some sort of agi stats
but needs a lot of item to make it strong and not like a weak hero.

so at early game lesale should have an advantage over viper unless viper has anything that increases hp and strength
viper should be careful of lesale because he'll 70 percent of the time get pwned by lesale in early game.

in mid game viper should be having almost having exact same stats or even more than lesale but still needs to watch out because lesale 75 percent sure
lesale will get lothars edge which can make him invisible.viper should be able to kill lesale 1-3 times and vise versa with lesale with the kills

late game lesale is still strong and viper is strong so both should be careful of each other. viper should kill lesale more than lesale can kill viper because viper has high stats by late game

conclusion
viper vs. lesale is an interesting match
against the two
viper will be stronger than lesale but with less hp but higher armor if u have the right items. lesale has high attk but should be three fourths or even lower than viper but has the hp thing but his armor is lower.
viper's skills and attk should easily pwn lesale

VIPER IS THE WINNER!!!!!!!!!!

if any1 has an opinion of the match put a comment of it
have a nice DoTA match

read my up coming match of razor and raijin The lighning mages

to find match look at razor's comment page

in my country

viper user use sange yasha

isnt it ggod?

Would blade mail work too in early game? Damage return + corrosive skin... easy creeping, no?

i prefer SnY than butterfly since SnY is a good item at chasing low life heroes

ganun ba

more strategies that viper makes stronger

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i think viper, but i like veno a lot more

this is not cool damn u

Try:
Treads
Stygian
Bfly
Curiass

For Every Attack That Isn't Poison, You're Desolating. The Only Problem Is Negotiating The Autocast In The Middle Of A Fight.

Wrong skillbuild, do the following:
Poison Attack 1,3,5,7
Stats 2,4,8,9,10
Corrosive Skin 12,13,14,15
Frenzy 17,18,19,20
Just my opinion.

Very NICEEEEEEEEEEE

er.. 90% of the people posting on this strategy are NOOBS.

mkb stacking with poison is great =)
orb walking does not require a boots of travel because ur poison is 40% slow.
e.g the enemy has - 400ms
u have 365 ms
400 x 0.6 = 240 ms
365 beats 240? enough said.

GW to the person that wrote this guide =)
9.0/10

VENOMANCER will

WIN!!!
yihaaa!!

It would be better if u use radiance...it will help alot...xD

Just asking... are you stupid? Why no Frenzy? that owns!

the venomancer is very best.....

VIPER

don't like the skill build.. frenzy = insane farming/pushing early and good hero late, also might consider k dagger cuz viper has no way 2 run if ganked

don't like the skill build.. frenzy = insane farming/pushing early and good hero late, also might consider k dagger cuz viper has no way 2 run if ganked

viper rocks!!!!!!!!!!

are you serious ??? linkens ???

imho : viper on mid : 3-4 pairs of tangos .. + branches ,need Bos , 3 WB o bracers .. its about your enemies ,now you have to ask yourself ... if is better butterfly (dmg dealers) or MKB (channeling ,and spellcasters) .. now you need HP so .. Satanic .. yeah orb .. whoa but you can use posion if enemy runs .. but if he doesnt you dont have to .. another item .. Mkb/butter skillbuild : poison + stats 6,11 lvl ulti ,12-15 corosive skin,16 ulti ,now you should take frenzy but dont do this if you havent satanic ...

GO VIPER!!! GO! GO! GO! LET THE POWER OF POISON RULED THE DOTA... LOL

for me it depends on the pilot and the build.

veno: stronger ulti w/ aga
viper: strong in harassing
veno: uses wards that so irritaing
and so viper's saliva

i think is viper

it helped me alot thx

Instead of getting linken, why not make Vanguard instead ? It rather suits his 3rd skill. Using the ring of health for Vanguard maybe. Rush radiance instead of MKB first. Why ? Radiance obviously goes well with your poison, great for team battles and ganks. MKB after that. Other than that, good guide

No vangurd??

Cool guide short but simple, I agree viper is the master of harrassing melee opponents. But anyway nyc guide almost sam skill build except i get frenzy on about lvl 15. Item build is a decent one but just lyk the others said get lothar's man!! My set of items are these...
Powerthreads
bterfly
mkb
mjollnir

i dnt get radiance or any hp bonuses cause i want the enemy hero to come close to me i think butterflies evasion is good enough... again nyc strat 7/10^^

why nevermore isn't the best partner for viper???

i have play with him so well and the combination was so nice....

imagine, first viper uses viper strike, so the enemy get 80% reduce movement speed, plus poison strike and corrosive skin, he gets total 130% reduce movement, it just like a stun....

second nevermore uses kellen's dagger to gets near to the enemy, adn then he uses requiem of the soul, and BLEMMMMM !!!!!!!!

Viper will win veno if he famrs well. :D

OWNS 1v1..
w/

2 vanguards
2 divines
radiance
boots of travel

18-0 streak over SVEN

wow as ive read in the comments many think that mjolnir is suitable for viper? would mjolnir and viper's 2nd skill stack when you autocast your 2nd skill nid reply ASAP~!! and what is your item for viper in a 5-5 1st to get ->to the last item you'd get in order thx!~

ergvv mal

poison attack: Coats Viper's attack with poison. Slows movement and attack speeds and lasts 2 seconds.

is slow attack speed = slow movement speed ?

in indonesia?? By Thony?? wrong place if ure rich with 300+ 875+ 1100 what gona be with lothar??? much beter than van G, im exp in viper with SNY, BUTER FLY, LINKEN, SATANIC, N EYE OF SIKADI. THAT WOW for kill 5 enemy hero with assits 2 friendly hero (briseback and mirana) that time, i can kill baratum, death propet, akasa, panda, venge. n wow that all been killed by me. but 1 of my assits killed. that mean 1 hero ally pay 5 hero enemy

I think you nid BASHER , anyway that's cool strategy also

viper is no match to enchantress hahahaha!!!

i will buy 1 vanguard coz viper have a low hp and will viper have a problem facing LoA

can leviathan's second skill remove viper strike... it seems effective

not cool guide, needs improvement...

hi,what would be the best possible build for viper to contradict troll warldord(especially during rampage on 1on1)??

please help,, noob out here...

dont like the item build, i think it needs items for its low hp...

viper will own veno xD
veno is not that dps kind of hero like viper

How come no orb effects ._.

SWEET!!!!
u look pro.. come play at gg...

nice strategy

can you make a strategy of venomancer?

viper vs. venomancer
i think hmmmmmmmmmmm
VIPER Sure !!!

i think viper will win on venomancer bcuz
venomancer has low movespeed ang has short range if compare on viper....

viper becos he have a frenzy and much powerfull last kill

awesomeness, but when i use viper for first time i plan to get tread, linken, lothars, mKb, butterfly, and then buriza.

i dont find radiance that useful...

i simply dont use monkeyk and linken.... FOR ME those items waste slots... u can be a greatest hunter if u use Radiance and Bkb.... but is only my oppinion.... after all is a very good strat!

i simply dont use monkeyk and linken.... FOR ME those items waste slots... u can be a greatest hunter if u use Radiance and Bkb.... but is only my oppinion.... after all is a very good strat!

viper will win because viper is weak at the early game but when viper become level 6 vipe is strong

I used viper many times and . . . . .W0w

viper, definitely would kick veno's ass

Veno is just a hair whens it comes to fighting wif viper

Does Mjollner Proc with posion atk ?

Venomancer:P

VipER Vs. VenO?
i think it depend 4 item^_^
but veno can lifesteal..
if u want satanic

Good guide. Pretty short though. 8/10

without a doubt viper wins.
frenzy pwns

why not use helm of the dominator in early/mid game?

my build is
vanguard
butterfly
sny
radiance
mkb
n threads
this build i can kill a lots...
EVEN DK!!
omg......i love dis hero...
sometime i haven even buy all my builds can own liao sia....wooot

i disagree getting buriza, cause it doenst proc with posion atk

u missed one damage amplifier,witch doctor

u missed one damage amplifier,witch doctor