Naga Siren Ultimate Copy Maker

Hi Vengence2006, nice guide helped me alot.How about adding 2 bracers to increase ur images hp and MKB at late game.

Agree at Charles. MKB is nice. Though it doesn't increase tha attack of your images, it boosts hero damage. Hmmm.. I usually get Song at level 13.. Max out image and ensare first then crit.
*shrug* It's your build anyway.

why dont you try basher

i dont use bashers bcoz it doesnt work worth with copies

butcher guide pls or u can just tell me wad items do i get for him and hot to kill with him.thx=)

@charles - please use the search option. @vengeance - the images' "fake" bashes prolong the stun duration of the hero bash. *shrug* But you wouldn't really need it anyway.

which is better .zeus or shadow shaman

no hero is better then another hero what makes a hero good is the player using it. But btw zeuz is a lot easier to use than shadow shamen

nice strat. but try a MKB?

oki?

The build of siren u propose is very similar to the one i use, ive never tried the linkens on her but i think it works real good, anyway i really like to build a battlefury cuz copies also will have splad dmg, ive killed 3 heroes just by netin one + copies + attack, and the splat dmg of my self and copies just wasted the rest of them, think bout it

HI Vengence can i recomment nagas another useful item??? REFRESHER ORB....hehehe for 3v3 4v4 5v5.. season sleep.. then bang!!!! wala na mid last level ng tower.then go for barraks if still got time...

u should hav buy a sange and yasha to increase ur HP, but quite a good guide

a good guide, but you expect a little too much out of the player. They may or may not get so many kills if their enemy is one that is effective against siren. Also it is likely that the game will end before you get linken's.

Not a bad guide, but there are some points missing, i'll be making a naga guide myself too, with a totally different aim.

Zzzz... Bout addin naga hp,i prefer buyin skadi... Last 6 items will be boots of travel,eyez of skadi,2 basher,manta style,butterfly..

what about buriza it stacks then basher will

nice guide, but rather use a hyperstone... id rather use a yasha... adds dmg... adds movement speed and attack speed... and having a power threads and yasha... its like a speed of a hyperstone... thanks to your guide...

Images take triple damage..
what it's mean?

to jeff9stalker, skadi and manta styla don't stack w/ each other.

The guide in general was decent, felt like you were striving for items in the end with that hyperstone...not really needed, MKB works amazingly.

Last thing, to Charles, Vanguard to start, then boots, 2 bracers, Sobi mask/ring of basilus if mana is really a problem, then save for heart or aegis, then once you have one, get the other....after that, radiance is fun, or just more hearts, enjoy yourself.

Sry for double post, but why headdress? RoR = same regen and naga is a hero that is easily harassed, so rather than boots first item, why not RoR then boots? doesn't make much sense especially since your strategy is a very weak early game where the objective is just to stay alive, the regen is much more beneificial. headdress...282 extra gold, only advised in inhouses in my opinion. Whatever works for you I guess.

USE BURIZA!!!!!!!11

wat the hell do u need burizi for apart from the extra damage! Your copies and yourself should be more than sufficient to kill the enemy heros without having an extra critical. And as for sange and yasha, its alright i guess but i normally get it for the maim and thats not possible with manta style

siren has little mana, how do you expect to use consecutive images, manta, ensare and song? those costs high mana.

at end game siren has enough

i don't think you really need headress but i suggest mkb more than buriza

Nice item build... Everything Naga Siren needs.... Anyway... i think some could try Eye of Skadi and complete the Headdress into Mekasmn... then she will be a pain in anyone's arse..

for me, naga siren is more of a hero killer

Well,it's pretty cool.Thx Vengence.I tried it and it works great,but i still have my own ways to play with her.I don't use ultimate that much...In the begining i build only ensnare,m.i. and critical...
It works fine too and they still can't get u.

let me comment about this ... i think i prefer perseverance than headress @ earlier game..to maintain hp & mana then go for battlefury..its good at farming since u can replicate ur hero and has big chance to hit critical(good for confronting a hero)..use ur skills as ur advantages and enhance it(use it wisely)...think what's your hero's weakness so you would know what item is best to build against enemy hero...make ur hero good for defense and good for offense...for me i prefer using power threads, battlefury, vanguard, skadi, mkb and butterfly...its not necessarily in order but it depends on how u will build it..depending what is needed by your hero at that time..by that item build i think ur hero has good damage and good hp to confront enemy hero...good for offense and defense...just a TIP usually what i do is when i play 5v5 i dont buy anything @ 1st until my gold reaches 900..i go for ring of health then void stone and ul have perseverance..so u can maintain ur hp and mana after that buy an ultimate orb or go finish building your battlefury and buy ultimate orb so u could start ur skadi in addition it will boost your hp and mana or make vanguard ... just a comment though..i think having skadi and mkb will make naga a very agile killer ... as what they always say...it depends on how you play your hero

i think basher works on images...and on phantom lancer too...how much times i tried and it was working...so...

yea... id go bashers if i could clone myself... and power treads to go with it and hyperstone and manta style... 6 clones, high chance of a bash, the enemy isnt goin anywhere! im pretty sure bashers work with images... just not with people like geomancer

this hereo is the best in the game because he is not a n oob character and you can kick arse with him

hyperstone DOES NOT increase the atkspd of your images, only agi increases their atkspd

oh and power threads too doesn't increase the images attack speed

btw, whicheva n00bz said use buriza, it doesnt stack with its ability, i wish it did though... 2.2+1.5= 3.7x critical. ha! all u need is a divine rapier and u deal like 1000 damage and thats just from the original. if only u could use buriza.

hell of a pusher. while pushing at a tower when the heroes come to defend cast song. hehehe continue on destroyiing the tower!

Yeah I think people are deceived into thinking buriza stacks with critical strikes. I have seen many people buying buriza for Skeleton King as well as Phnatom assassin Anyway, which orb is more worth it? Manta Style or Skadi for Naga? Cos i feel I don't really need 2 extra images if i am actually strong enough

manta style is not just for the two extra copies, in fact thats just an added bonus, the real reason why manta style is good is because of the mana burn, yes ur imgages have it as well. Imagine 6 naga sirens burning 36 mana each time they hit u, thats 216 mana lost each time the nagas hit you. THATS AWESOME!!!

why use linken sphere i suggest BKB and something is missing hmm ah MKB

WEW nice strat i like it.. but why not use sange yasha??

why not Buriza, MKB and 2 Vanguards?? I do that build and it makes killing fun and easy!!!

@ all those who suggested burize...people... she already has a 45% chance... stacks deminishingly... no point. The %age becomes 56%. Nice guide. i'd only add 2 bashers or skadi.Works well.

@ all those who suggested burize...people... she already has a 45% chance... stacks deminishingly... no point. The %age becomes 56%. Nice guide. i'd only add 2 bashers or skadi.Works well.

i'd rate this a 7...the linken's would probably be too late if you wanna add hp..id go for skadi asap...but it's your guide...

If you're gonna buy a buriza to improve your damage then use mkb or butterfly instead. naga already has 45% chance to crit. it's almost 5 crit strikes in 10 slashes. 2 vanguards? i'd rather get an HoT-->this will save me 1 item slot for another item.

Nice guide but I strongly disagree about the hyperstone. Because images doesn't get the bonuses given by the hyperstone. You're better of getting yasha's as images benefit from the attributes and ms

i like to play with mjolnir and buriza instead of linken and manta style... the crits will be more higher and you can do like +1000 sometimes

naga siren is gay hero

WTH r u on about how do you get a naga siren to get 1000 criticals without using divines???

quote: naga siren is a gay hero

...............naga sire in my opinion the best hero. In almost anyones eyes she is at worst a useful support hero, anyone that is except noobs like you. Obviously you have either a)not played dota before or b)are mentally retarded

nice guide,..but i always use desolator..and it did work better than manta...how's bout that???

can anyone know how to own void during late games? i can't seem to counter his chrono using this hero. Even if i use images, under the chrono, he seem to know who the real naga is...can anyone confirm this?

..just like any other heroes. If you let dark terror get his items, it's hard to kill him. ..nice strat by the way.. gave you 9. when naga gets her manta.. she's unstoppable.. the most all-around hero..

... naga is one of the best heroes in the game. And when its late game it mostly ull get killed by her.

you wrote ensnare is especially good for escaping enemies. it is also good for escaping.
good guide, bit short but nice

Nice.. lol i tried using desolater just now lol own like f*uck(srry for vulgar) their armour reduction is zzz total ownage lol try it though usually i get a manta i got deso cause one of my teamates left so i took the deso since no one wanted it and i haven completed my manta then ........

what will happen when i put 2 basher's and sange and yasha???!!! what will happen bad or really bad??? just a trip question.. lol!!

Idiot, Hyperstone doesn't add IAS to your images, only items that give +Agi increases it................

Dear All,
I have a friend who is very good with Naga Siren, can someone tell me which is the best counter hero for Naga Siren ?

it would be smart not to get hyperstone because only the real hero gets the attack speed+ so the enemy will know woh is real

why not place guinsoo on her???? sleep summon illusions and surround target hero, when hero wakes up use hex and he will not be able to do anything while hexed.........3 seconds of unblockable mana burn and critical strikes......if hero enemy hero tries to escape NET....

i completely agree with manta style, at mid game, i could kill a hero in 3 secs alone, they won't have mana to escape after net

"Hyperstone (2300)
50% incr attack speed
this item increases the attack speed of you and your copies"
FALSE.
Direct IAS doesn't give anything to images. It's pitfull to get it.

Same thing about Headdress : aura doesn't give anything to images. It's useless to get it.

Overall, it's a bad guide.

Zuña pa zpil jife va? tor ro i huve muña?Meu iramao eh um viado

"This skill is useful for escaping enemies because it lasts for a long time. Its also useful for escaping." ROFL

what a bad item suggestion. I think yasha/bot for ms and manta/butterfly for damage. Mkb=wtf (images dont get dmg/bash/atkspd??? u can get a bufferfly for that much money. LInken's? how you gonna get nuked when they have no mana? Hyperstone? wtf? images dont gain atk spd, so any1 with 50iq can tell which is real. Why in the world u get treads? u know they DO gank you if you farm in the same lane. trust me, singing lullabies dont help escaping when there are blue cirlces spinning above your head. imo, the skills should be ensare maxed out first, then mirror images. with 50agility and 60 dmg, you aren't exactly a coup-de-grace criter.

more detail and pictures. 1/10

Nice ensare image and manta image w/ hyperstone they will eat your critical but it is also nice to put Buriza for stronger Crit.

i think this strategy is a great one but wouldnt u rather get more crits with all your illusions? go for a bruzia before the butterfly?

i recomand SnY on top of that.

HolY S*** strat try 2 build MoM, MKB, Threads, vanguard, radiance, then kll roshan for aegis.. holy CoW!!!

Good guide. This hero is highly underrated by most of the players. Her ultimate is so useful, for escaping or for preparing images. A very good hero

nice guide thanks

why some people tend to say battlefury increases the chance of critical rate...
although naga has a very high chance to do critical...

y get hyperstone...

short guide and not a very good one...

4/10

what about buriza

may i recommend: skip the headress of rejuv. just take the ring of regen for 375... your images die quick anyways in early game and headress is not so useful in late game. may i also recommend swap power treads for boots of travel - you'll love the extra speed, and we havent got time to get S+Y since we're going for manta style as soon as possible. also, skip the hyperstone.... go for linken's right after manta. these are two small points but overall, great guide! thank you very much to author.

ok, like yukino said, illusion bashes only prolong the real bash. but its really up to chance. if you have manta and images, thats a total of....i think 6 images. so the odds are gainst you when you are going for YOUR bash.

well why dont u just get a radience it stacks up with the illusions so it means with manta = 35 damage per second x 6 ( u and 5 illusions) = 210 damage per second which meansd that if u net a hero and u attack with all of ur illusiosn that u could burn 500 mana and do aprox 700-900 damage per second net lasts 5 seconds so u can kill hero easily in 5 4 seconds :)

just an idea i tried it and it works plus u farm creeps like a deamon now so u can buy waht u want

Radiance doesn't stack up with illusions it just increases it's AOE, Hyperstone doesn't incree illusions attack speed aswell.

Personally I go RoR > boots > treads > diffusal > vitality booster (don't make into manta until you've used all the charges) > hyperstone > start building guinsoo > (usually manta is ready to make by now > manta > guinsoo > butterfly

the order of butterfly and guinsoo can be switched around, basically however user wants to play. the net + hex combo is devastating especially against wind walkers...net them in place and right when net is about to fade (they're spamming wind walk) hex them and finish off their mana so they can't wind walk away, pretty much a free kill. hex is good against any hero to be honest

not a good guide, you should get a butterfly or at least a S&Y as naga siren sucks when fight with Tormented Soul or some hero that has AOE spell. S&Y adds hp, MS that kills, manta style is only an addition. Naga is good at armor so we don't fear much dam dealers, but against special spellcaster, she sucks.

on the ensnare coment you put that it was good for escaping TWICE! LOL

in 6.43 Assault is awesome 4 her. Just convert your hyper to asssault. Increases survivabilty and pawns the opponent more easily.

guys wats MKB?

images only produce a false bash which means that only the animation for bash appears but the enemy isnt really stunned. ive read in dota-allstars that when an enemy hero is first hit by a true bash, the fales bashes from the images prolongs the true bash but when the images first deal a false bash, a true bash from the non-image will prolong a false bash. Think about it, with manta, 5 false bashes compete w/ 1 true bash. i think ur better with MKB.

And the Buriza???You have to had a buriza for a mountruos critical

criticals don't stack

juz now i played using naga siren i bought 1 power threads,assault cuirass,eye of skadi,battlefury,and a manta style..skadi is reli good for slowing and killing enemies

PT,headdress, mkb, vanguard, cuirass, satanic.

Either MKB or Borzo is good for this build

mmm I desagree with the skill build, I'd take the Song after having at least 3 levels in almost the other three skills, and after taking 1 lvl of the song I would continue to maximizing all, and then yes maximizing the song.

The item build is nice, just played naga siren and followed your recipe and did well. But at late game, instead of a butterfly why don't crystalis and then the evolution (don't remember the name ) or maybe if you don't have so much gold to make it, i would prefer another hyperstone (it's effect stacks right?)

the crystalis effect and the evolution of it -idon'trememberthename- effect, function for the illusions too,right?

cacapoopoo

i`m coool doods.

this strat sucks

arent the items copied by the images? if this is so then hyperstone/basher will work fine...

suck balll

that sucks

OMG nice guide, with this I was dominating all my friends lol! ty for making it 10/10

everyone who thinks getting hyper stone or mkb is stupid b/c even tho you think the items are being copyed they are just there to confuse the enemy the dont have any affct on the images unless its an aoe item like mek or RoB

also dont get burza b/c it doesnt stack with your critical so its a waste

does her copies gain the ability of the diffusal blade?

Manta,Butterfly,MkB,Linkens,Basher,
Boots: Shud really be deadly combo aldo
hp always less.

This is my item build:
-Battle Fury(for early farming)
-Manta style(for burning mana and additional illusions)
-BoT(Just for increase in speed and for teleportation)
-HoT(For illusions)
-Assault(for atk speed and to decrease your enemies armor.
-Buriza(for crit)

its ok build but i dont really like it
...maybe i should make a build?

Guys? How bout a vladimir's? Will the copies have the life-steal effect?

yes.they will have the lifesteal effect cause its an aura.

why every body didn't make buriza??please gimmie a logical answer

wat abt naga vs tiny?whack whack stun then he use avalunch and toss = dead

powerful build nice strategy

Omg, i wonder who are the people who posted those noob comments. Many of these issues have been like solved so long time ago at other heros le.
Illu do copy the hero's item, only some of their special effects.
no1: battle fury cleaving does not apply to illusions.
no2: the only orb that apples to illusion (meele) is mana burn from diffusal blade and mantra staff.
no3: the bash portion has been explained.
no4: illusions take 300% more dmg from both magic and physical.
no5: only stats increasing items and their respective bonuses will be carried over to the illusions e.g. getting eaglehorn on naga siren would also have that increase in attack speed in her illusion, rather than getting hyperstone on naga siren would have no effect on her illusion's attack speed.

I seriously don't think getting direct damage increasing item (e.g. MKB, Buriza) would help in net, image killing. Furthermore, if your good in micro-ing, getting radience is a good option as naga siren has the 2nd fastest movespeed around
Therefore, depends on the style of playing. If u wanna have sturdy go strong tanking illusions, mainly get Eye of Skadi and Reaver (Hearts). If u wanna have damaging illusions, mainly get Mantra and Eaglehorn (butterfly). By the way, by getting Mantra and in the best case senerio, when all 5 illusion naga and 1 real naga attacks the enemy, the damage output increases by ~200% not to mention the crits. Yups these are like 2 cents from me

10/10
got a 12-0 record with this build
nice

That Butterfly is a waste of cash considering your images dont get the extra attack speed. look at it this way.
EagleHorn=25 agility+ 25% attack speed(works on clones)3300 gold
Bfly= 30 agi+ 30 attack speed(which doesnt work on images)+30 damage 6750

as you can tell for 2 eaglehorns, which is about the price of a bfly You get
40+ agi 40+ attack speed Which benefits images. Its a better buy

Hmm forgot to mention evasion on the bfly but it doesn't benefit clones either.

Oh and Hyperstone DOES NOT affect your images.

Y linken'sphere?? u already have ensnare, images and song of siren to help u....

hate it XD

This hero is really good for late game.

All u need:

PT
Manta
MKB
2x Bashers

And attack increase item for last place. A lot of people can't decide which Naga is real. And with Manta; you burn all of ur enemies mana. She is imba I think.

no offense, this guide realli suked bad. getting song of the siren lvl 2 and 3 is not worth the mana cost. also, IAS items do not work on images, so hyperstone wont work. Get BoT and HoT instead.

ensnare and mirror image must be full!! on 8lvl!!!!

MKB and bashers lol. manta, butterfly vladimir and linken sphere, power threads to agility. full equip

btw... if u want to counter naga siren, i recommend earthshaker ( echo slam ) eats up all the illusion lol but if naga eats up ur mana first then GG ~_~

what about sanga and yasha ?!?!

Imo, the feedback orb is far supperior to maim, so manta over s&y, eventhough it had just been buffed...

i think lich king can destroy all her images with 1 spell: CHAIN FROST

question about ensnare, can he still attack even you ensnared him?

gentlemen i think the best build for naga is 2 butterfly/bot/manta/buriza/radiance.let me explain i use 2 butterfly for evasion manta to make extra image,buriza to make critical and also radiance to make extra damage also remember naga is a very nice killer in the late game,opssss
hirap mang english

yeah its ok
i prefer:
treads
Manta
vlads(awesome. dmg aura)
hyper
(game should have finished)
bfly
heart

yeah its ok
i prefer:
treads
Manta
vlads(awesome. dmg aura)
hyper
(game should have finished)
bfly
heart

Short, clean, and nicely organized. It's a good reference, and I use it as some ideas. Nicework, 8/10

Short, clean, and nicely organized. It's a good reference, and I use it as some ideas. Nicework, 8/10

Short, clean, and nicely organized. It's a good reference, and I use it as some ideas. Nicework, 8/10

Short, clean, and nicely organized. It's a good reference, and I use it as some ideas. Nicework, 8/10

Woot!!! one of the best character ever made!!!! I freakin love it! Well if ur a noob then no, you will not do great but how cares?