Nortrom, The Silencer; A Guide For Both 'em' And Competitive Games

Good guide, a good solo silencer is a very tough experience in the early game. A few things to note though.

Global Silence @ lvl 6 is situationally important if A) your in a 2v2 in your lane against channelers/disablers like rhasta, enigma, crix, etc. Silencer has no other actual disable/ministun/stun. B) You have enough teamwork and your team wants to take down a disabler/stunner in another lane.

Tough people to lane against early game?
Tactics on how to deal with this kind of Silencer?
Why did you take global silence at 10,11? What would you think of taking it at 6,15,16 (3 second silence is as good as 4 IMO but 5 makes a difference). Getting one l more point in stats early may help.
I don't think you emphasize the importance of farming with this build, if you don't farm you'll feed. Its essential that you farm fast and efficiently. Leaving your lane to gank, heal, buy, or even check runes is a big nono! =]

The basis of this build is entirely focused on having an EXCEPTIONAL early game. If you die once you are hurt bad, if you die twice you are going to be a feeder.

Not bad of a guide there, classic Silencer build using the Mekasm, yes Mekasm gives silencer much survivability but the reason why Mekasm is getting less and less popular on Silencer is because you simply don't need the RoR early game anymore. Although it's still a good build people often replace Mekasm with blink dagger nowadays.

Recer Please dont double post,

and i would paly league, but id much rather, jsut lan it when my homeboys,

Sorry, Your Strategy was good, very good to get mech at the start, and guinsoos,

But at the start, is there any heros we should watch out for? early game that is.

Very Well Spoken Strategy. X]

Nothing new. Same old skill and item builds. Maybe some screenies? Those are fun to watch.

5/10

hrmm,agree with the otehrs...
6/10

I like it, but why not dagon? it will give more kills at the begin.

7/10

I appreciate this strategy guide... It's good..
But ive got a question..
What if SIlencer will be a feeding machine and not a killing machine?

Once in this pub game i saw this guy with hypers on silencer and he casted the glaives really fast, does the hyperstones hlp his ias at all?

i guess it would depend on gameplay.. the item mention above is good for any player as will help to survive ALOT!!! Normally when silencer is aim and doesn't notice it is a 100% death with one stunner and another spammer.... So actually if don't meka can go for blink to help support hit or run... or straight away buy heart to fight head on with opponent heroes..... or best for killing actually to add bonus dmg not by using glaive would be mkb.... mkb bonus dmg with silencers bonus dmg is a killer but u would lose in terms of health... so it depends coz if i play mkb i would normally hide behind and hit coz ppl would normally thing is not pain at all.... it woulds best against long hp heroes if someone could just stun for u once then u would see the effect..... well best of all would definately be NECRONOMICON LOL!!!! which no one actually uses coz they think it's useless.. this are some ideas la coz necronomicon is definately better than dagon as it adds int and str everytime u lvl it up and has the 2 creeps that can help u kill heroes and increase movement speed.... and it has true sight best item to fight invi heroes... it's the best plan.. better than wards and gem lol

nice i believe he can own with just mekans and guinsoo, though i can't agree with the final item build

i don't think a game last that long except it's an -em mode...
wait... this strategy is for -em mode ya?

No curse of the silent? How sad.

@rain9441, you have no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, I have had experience in the MYM Pride 7#. Silencer is not a very tough experience in early game, because YOU WONT BE IN A 2v2 LANE that you have brought out. Silencer takes mid solo, as the towers are close, and you can use more terrain advantage as i have mentioned before. FFS go play silencer first and talk, use the altitude level and fog to not be targeted by a Sven + Lina lane which is common. Global Silence is learned at level 10, because Silencer will not be focusing on gangs during this level, but rather on the lane control and last hitting, WHICH DOES EMPHAISZE THE FARMING IF YOU KNOW WHAT LANE CONTROLLING IS. I never ever stated to check for runes or go and gang until your damage is substantial.

MERLINI, who played silencer mid solo, (I have replay) had died 4 times, yet he was able to own up with his high dps. Dont bother talking without evidence.

ALSO RHASTA AND ENIGMA ARE VERY UNPOPULAR PICKS IN LEAGUE GAMES< AND AGAIN USE FOG< CREEP BLOCK WATCH REPLAYS < GET EVIDENCE THANK YOU ^___^ MY CAPS KEY ISNT WORKING T_T

Fwii- sorry about the outdated Mechanmsn, but I had posted this guide AGES AGO. If you want dagon, go die. Its a waste of money, if you are going to go hunt heroes,u are loosing farming time.

And yes Hyperstone is a great item in situations where you get Necromican, then an Assault.

@Ganksta, the heroes you should watch out for are common rambo roamers such as Venge or Veno. In pubs, no one can match the pro silencer, but please do not rely on team warning if the game is in pubs, for some arn't very consisntent.

Curse of the silent is crap considering you could deal more damamge with 100 mana of gliaves, excuse my spelling and hostility in times, i am really tired right now Z_Z, but seiruosly people go to www.mymym.com go find a replay in MYM prime nations or MYM Pride and watch.

Classic guide, i like i like. Many people are disparaging your guide, due to you not learning Curse of the Silent and not getting a Dagon.

I found the links you provided very useful, and thank you for your perspective in both 'em' and League games.

This is a reason I do not want to post a guide for League Games, simply because the majority condemn the different style of play in League Games. By the way you double posted

Detailed guide to farming and pushing and good ol' stayin' alive, but theres no killing section. On the other hand, killing isn't Silencer's strong point, farming and pushing and carrying is. This guide knows what Silencer is for, thats odd. Well... you still need a killing section. You've said something about when to use Global Silence, which is good even if nobody will find it without reading every word of the guide (but they're supposed to).

Whoever says 'No curse, how sad' or similar comments about ANYTHING has not read the guide and its explanations. As for Curse itself, well duh... use a spell, useless, YOU wasted 135 mana. It only works on a few heroes, you could modify the build when fighting those heroes only perhaps.

On the other hand, I have to agree that this IS kind of an old/classic/overused itembuild. Of course, that could just mean its the only one people can be expected to use without either being fed or feeding or just far too good at Silencer.

Considering I absolutely hate Silencer and carry heroes in general, I probably shouldn't rate this at all, but I will after a bunch more comments. I still have an eye for guide level even if I hate the hero.

Shimrra_3 thank you for a comment worth reading. Yes!! I have forgotten to put a killing section in.

The build is quite old T_T because this guide was posted a very long time ago.

But thank you for mentioning a flaw in my guide with no intentions of hostility. This build isn't overused or else why are there people asking why there is no dagon or why I do not learn Curse. ^^

Man i agree that Curse of the silent isn't that usefull all the time against heroes like Vonomancer(wards cost 20 mana) but there aer heroes like skeleton and naix with low mana pool and just one spell or no spell at all.And if played wisely you can give few hits than come from behind orb walk few more and give the finishing touch with the curse.Although not a bad guide i dont agree with item build at the end.Why waste money to mekasam when you can make the Eul's faster so you can stop an enemy getting to you or you can ensure a kill.

I like your skill build!

It's obvious that some people don't know a great guide when it's staring them right in the face... although i still wonder what use would meka be in late game... O_o anyways... I disagree with the fact that the others don't appreciate...especialy with the detailed explanation in this guide..although the butterfly is weird =.=

?/10

I only get dagon if I'm owning pubs, since in pubs where you'll need to carry, gank, and etc. Otherwise Rushing euls and Dagger would be better.

What are your thoughts on Skadi? It's problably one of the better items to get after guinsoo, with proper micro you can perform the skadi + Glaive walk. Your DPS will be lower this way but you'll have a slow to help you catch up with your opponents.

i agree with your skill build, never get curse early on, theres no real point
but with item build, would it be useful tto get aghnims scepter for the intel boost, so that glaives are more effective?
8/10

excellent strat. not sure about the butterfly bit tho. other than that 9/10

Bad Item build

beautiful guide!

Im a Newbee for Dota... And I find your Guide very informative and detailed.. Keep it up ^_~

I like it. Ive never really liked silencer too much. I usually end up only 4-2 or maybe a little better. Nice guide ill give it a try.

Hi... I only want to congrat u for this great guide!! Keep doing this stuff, because this guide can take my level in DotA higher!! ty!!

i agree with your double null talisman than double bracer in early game since
you dont have mana regeneration yet
so its good to have 2 nulls
but 2 bracers are good too when ur lane is nuker

nice guide, same skill build, and item wise u nearly had me, i generally go 5xironwood branches plus 6 tangoes wid this guy, and yes he is an awesome solo, maybe only matched by viper/warlock.
Conserning item build later on, i generally go dps, BUT the build u shuggested, as u sed is good for a game were u kno ur team, and u can work together, but if u r pubing its beta not to rely on any1 and jst go dps urself with a hyper/radice or mkb combo. Very nice guid though explaining his many uses, and totally agree, curse of the silent is the worst spell in the game, only good against naix, and even then, i prolly wudnt get it lol. 8/10

aweful guid...i play silencer for a fuckin long time...my build would be finish euls scepter then make skadi and then finish guinsoo...and then straight to assault cuirass...huge damage and health is crazy

Im Korean too.
I think im better at english rofl

great guide !

First of all i would like to congratulate you for ur time and patience on writing this guide. I will not be offensive in any way, but i think there should be more discussion on wheter use or not use curse of the silenct. As a long time non EM player, i have tryed both strategies, using and not using curse.
Using curse: Curse early game can be good becouse it has a very long range, so u can use it on an enemy hero and run away from, him, forcing him to
a) Try to chase u to cast a spell, by that time he has problaby alrdy lost the mana needed or:
B) Force him to cast the spell on a creep, anyways he will lose the mana, tough u still lose 135 mana, some of the enemies spells cost more than that.
U can still farm a lot by doing precise last hits withouth glaves of wisdom ( since u wont have all the mana) , plus u will be harassing ur enemies for lane control.
c) U sai it could be countered by a simple tango, but the harass we want early game here is not just life, but mana as well
This spell sucks late game though.
As for iten build i agree 100% with you, although i havent tryed butterfly yet ( most of my games non EM end b4 that iten build) .
So all im saying is that dont call it a girly-man spell , since u can own with both strats . People should try at least.
Later

Then again, using curse is extremely dependent on the situation. There are quite a number of heroes with low mana-cost spells that can learn just one level of it to counter curse.

Isn't it a waste of 135 mana when the target loses like, 40 hp and 40 mana only?

@caspian:
Yes,indeed.But if casted on lifestealer,which's ult is no CD

Great guide, only problem i see is in the end game item sections you spelled "Monkey King Bar" Monkey King Bard. Great guide 10/10

Excellent guide.......makes Silencer unstoppable, though I should mention that the new power treads are better than boots of travel for Silencer, and the new item Orchid is a must have after (Null + Mekansm + Power Treads + Guinsoo + Linkin), you can also get the orchid instead of the Linkin sphere if the other team doen't have any nukers like Lion's ulti

Ive recently tried Shivas/Orchid combo and it dominate as a decent silencer can farm the mystic staff relatively early allowing for high damage glaives then once assembled frost nova allows for easy orb walking.

Pretty great guide, but how about considering Necronomicon? It's used many times already in leagues, and I've seen it used in some pub games.

ummm, i'd pretty much suggest get orchid...

=]

nice build though.

i dont agree with some of the items neither the skill build..

HoT, Butterfly??? for what?!!
why not dagon??? adds int!
buriza, good partner for the glaves..
easy kills with dagon!!! ( -1 int )

the curse can be very helpful during early games, why not lvlup it??

whew!!

that's on my own opinion...

@dhabby learn more on perspective playing in rather serious games.

As fwii- mentioned Dagon is completely useless and is no good except for pub stomping.

Seriously your question to Heart is a joke. Heart is a requisite for surviabiiltiy. Yes, sir, there is more to killing a hero in DotA, you need surviability.

Butterfly increases your IAS, which helps deal the dps. The crits from Buriza is not going to help as much as an extra evasion with a higher IAS.

Okay I will post a comment on why curse of the silent and dagon is not needed.
TREADS ARE BAD EXCEPT MAYBE IN IMBA 6.49.

ALSO I DID MENTION MY ITEM BUILD SEEMS OLD SCHOOL BECAUSE I HAD CREATED THIS GUIDE AGES AGO< AND IT TOOK SO LONG TO BE POSTED IN PUBLIC.

Let me clarify what this comment is about. "Why not to learn Curse of the Silent." The majority of people claim this spell is strong against low mana pooled heroes, and will prevent such heroes to spam their spells and put themselves in danger.

Supposedly you learn Curse of the Silent, then you would logically learn Glaives + Curse, but will this increase your lane control and survivability? The answer is clearly no. With the extra stats, your lane control will be stronger, and your dps will be higher ensuring last hits. I can simply assume you are an auto attacking player when you say Curse of the Silent is a great spell. You need stats over Curse for lane control, survivability and a higher dps to ensure more damage and cs.

People also challenge the much superior Glaives + Stats, by saying it will dominate heroes such as N'aix. This is a joke, rather amusing to be thinking illogically. If you have read the guide, I have mentioned to undertake "mid solo". Do you think a N'aix would come to a mid lane, actually this "N'aix" won't even exist in the game. Do you seriously believe in a much serious game, players choose N'aix as a carry? Well, sir you haven't got much knowledge on league games. Such heroes will not be in the line ups in much serious games that Silencer is useful for.

Now, why is Curse of the Silent extremely useless? Go play with higher level players who will obviously purchase consumables for lane control and regeneration. You waste your mana, and your opponent laughs at you while he/she regens their Health Points with a simple Tango.

Curse of the Silent is useless, it prevents you from gaining a higher dps,, and weakens your lane control, an important aspect of the game. There won't be a hero such as N'aix facing you, and the damage input by Curse is laughable against Tango + Branch, the ultimate combo in the game.

Dagon is a joke. Waste of cash except for pub stomping as fwii- mentioned.

Also people remember the stable map is still 6.48b, so I do not take the power treads from 6.49 into account, but feel free to change my guide into anything in public games cause they are so laughable.

But in discussion with League games, I know what I;m talking about.

If you live in the Oceanic area, i.e. Australia and New Zealand, feel free to add me on U.S West, iL]aMoRE so I can show you what I ramble on about, that many seem to condemn.

Hey guys try using ORCHID OF MALEVOLENCE
its really good to him.
ASPD
INT
DAMAGE
Soul Burn
things that nortrom nid are in that item

why Butterfly and HOT ? and last word in level 12?

this is the first hero that i got beyond godlike with....

hemlock this is a stupid strat.your mother is a whore

wow! thanks

girly-men huh.. oh how offensive... as if the curse of silent skill is really 100percent useless.. it depends on how it is being used.. i think that skill is not really meant for lowering the enemy heroes' hp, in my case i instead use it for lowering the target's mana so that the hero won't be able to use his skills freely annoying the player, especially those heroes that have small amount of mana that realies to their stunning and slowing skills like Sven and other strength and agility heroes that always wait for the right time to kill Silencer.. whatever...

If anyone of you noticed, comment no 55 was removed. I believe this was because he was too rude and the mods had to intervene to stop such audacity.

So, if you don't like the girly-men statement, then tell him to tone it down. Responding with even more flaming (saying that he had s** with his mother for crying out loud) will just show you the exit from DS. Don't think you can get away with something like that.

You have been advised, and warned.

good strat its pretty much exactly wat should be done

how bout the Assault Cuirass

how bout the Assault Cuirass

well, i am pretty new here, so can somebody explain me what orb walking is?

Hmm, not bad not bad you should really teach these fellow people what orb walking really is and show them a diagram or so.

Now you can add Orchid to end game items.

try him with refresher no more mana cost for 2nd skill

try him with refresher no more mana cost for 2nd skill

Why do I see Korean characters in your strategy?

"....Furthermore, you should have these following items in your inventory at the end of the early game. (초반)"

???????

very good
hahhshuhuhuahushuasuhs

heya!!! your stratwgy is great!!! even if i not use it ngaun hehe!!!

My statement to "girly men" was only a joke, with intentions to insult.

@caspian, I'm korean. ㅋㅋ

"with NO intentions to insult"

Nice Guide Man And the first time I used him I got like 5 kills so thanks for the guide now my friend owes me $50.

How about that new item orchid something i don't know the exact name.The item is like made for silencer.

$10 for each kill? lol

Cool Guide!

Yep silencer is quite hard to play but if your good at it then he would be owning everyone.

well i im not really that familiar w/ dota... but i think that butterfly would not make a lot of sense, beside the armor and attack speed it gives. there's no + damage though, and 6300 gold is not that easy to farm

modified it more

Try this item build on silencer:
Travel
Midas
Shivas guard
the new scepter(mystic +oblivion staff)
Meka
Dagon 5

nice but dont really agree with the butterfly!

aLL gOOd!
I am a silencer player (my strat was like this one) and I used this hero in turnament last week. I can kept my line virgin n won the turnament! U did really great job!

you really should explain this-
The Silencer carry concept

most silencer guide dont.

dapat curse of silence muna!!

booooooooooooooooooooooooo http://www.dotastrategy.com/images/smileys/biggrin.gif
Laughing

i dun think butterfly is neccesary...get a assault is much more better..

lol.. butterfly i don't agree.. to this item.... i know u want butterfly because of the glaive... wanna throw faster huh..!
but use the Orchid Malevolence... better ATK SPD + 40% and +25 Int awesome...

following this guide, butterfly exceeds cuirass in all aspect. you actually gain 30%(kinda) damage reduction ALL the time since you evade 30% attacks.

Best guide ever!!!Good job!!!Verry helpful!!!

i hadn't played with notrom and i owned! I GOT BEYOND AND 16 KILLS

To begin with, nice guide

Nice attention on survivlability, and farming and pushing to help the team. I completely agree that Silencer is not a killing machine and you have completely agreed and augmented to a classic guide for Silencer.

People shouting here haven't read your guide throughly i guess....Anyways i would give it a 10/10 rating as i tried it out the way you played it and it works wonders.....

I think different people have different ways of playing him, but this is a pro way of using him. You could have included how to use him as a killer, or how you would own with him.

Keep up the good work...Ciao

try this item

1 boots of travel
1 buriza
1 mekansm
1 orchid
1 guinsoo
1 linken sphere

basta mataas ag int nya maskit sya....awts

@aimz01
Can't understand what you said..
lol.

I'd just like to add something to the skill build, u don't have to strictly follow a certain addition of points. let's say u have a channeling hero(e/g/ sand king) or combo hero(e.g. pudge) in ur lane(opponent). Adding 1 last word would totally disrupt his combo and so it all depends on ur lane.

Let's say sand king tries to do his combo, he wud not be able to impale/epic as how he does if u add one last word, totally disrupting his progress, so i'd suggest u'd reconsider this part.

Overall, the guide is pretty good. 8/10

- linken sphere (works well with last word)
- Treads
- Orchid malevolence (silence)
- Guinsoo`s Scythe of Vyse (silence)
++permenant silence++

Best and most realistic item build

suck

i want to try this items,it looks very cool.....love it

Outstanding guide. Would orchid's malevolence be a good replacement for butterfly??? it gives a +30 int, 40% IAS and an active silence.

I suggest you place the heroes that would be good allies or bad allies w/ silencer. You should also place the heroes that silencer would have a hard time or owning. 10/10.

this strat has helped me to many a godlike streak I through orchid in there pure ownige

whats the no cd crack?

Yay!! Thxq.. i made 15 kill wit ur guide and iteam build up!! thx!!!

I get mekansm with every intel hero. gr8 guide!!

@cold boy
youre kidding?
you get it on raijin and seer too?

i used this strat fully a few days ago,but lost.maybe bcuz the line ups were so imbalanced?its an -ar game anyway.laning with PoTM and BF mid lane is not easy.the only thing i made difference is i use dagger instead of mek.

are you sure with the final item guid??

nice guide...

but...


it's so hard to make it..

5 mystic staff and BoT... large int boost.. that's enough.

ill practice siliencer talaga try ko strategy nya

ill practice siliencer talaga try ko strategy nya

I love this strat it has led me to many many victories, but since the knew items came out I find them very useful with this strat. hemlock How do u work them into your strat? If u do? 10/10

Why butterfly and meka why not shiva and orchid ? u could change meka to shiva late game? i thought tat it was better... as late game meka heal sux!!!!
anw nice guild for the farming... kip it up!!

^this was made BEFORE those were present

this guy is a bit cool
ok

Stupid... With your items... You'll become a food even against the weakest hero... hhmmmm

Why don't you learn to animation cancel? Might help you look at DotA in a different perspective if you watch Pride.

not dat good i expect beta but wel job trying. its out dated obviously. silencer can have like 600 damage atack in da late games with da new items and curse of the silent is on lvl 2 in early game a easy first blood besides tango can counter it but it drains mana as wel u must jst know when to use

no dagon?????????????????????????????????

umm i havent really used silencer much but i was wondering about 2 items that would kinda help him 1. orchid malevolence and 2. shiva's gaurd orchid is great for the extra ias and more int and shiva is good for the huge aoe slow and increased int this is just an option to throw out there and i was curious about what ppl thought about it

ahh cool.. i find that this build doesnt work very well in em... might as well just go for higher up items and skip mek and stuff... and either way i also think its best to just get rid of mek late game and get an item like skadi which will still give u lots of surivability and stuff and will buff everything else cause mek doesnt help enuf late

nice guide liked to read

nice strategy, but i think you should change the Mekansm, to dagon... You already got hp Regen from heart of Tarrasque

why did u exclude curse of the silent? is one of the best dot early

nice guide.. dagon are just for noobs.. used only for ks especially in 5 vs 5 games.. and getting curse instead of stats is just lame.. - from the comments below, you can already tell the good ones from the noob ones..

good guide but the only intel item you have is mainly your sheep and likins, try some other items

I don't like the strategy. Sorry. Just doesn't work for me.

cool! thats a great guide for noobs..

cool! thats a great guide for noobs..

its a nice build.. yeah, skill 1 is useless.. anyway, i think power treads, as 1st item is more useful than BoT in the later part of the game.. considering the IAS and +10 to stats.. well, it depends on different situations.. ^^

try using dagon for a 100% sure kill

The skill build is just the one, who doesnt agree with it is obviously a noob :) About items since the last releases introduced so big changes the guide should need an update.
Threads are quite deadly mid game with their +10, so it's really up to the player if he wants to get more kills or have more mobility. With threads midas were definetly not needed, but new midas can transmute lvl 6 creeps, but again u r supposed to dont spend much time in jungle so i still dont recommend them. Orchid is just perfect item for him, providing attack speed, int, damage, mana reg and the silence. New linken is also very good and i think that depending on the game and on your mates u can skip meka (in em or if some support mates already get it).
Guinsoo and eul are still good items for him, for the int bonus but after orchid as it fits better to your damage dealer role. So my personal choice would be 1-2 nulls, (meka or persev), threads, orchid, (linken), guinsoo, (shiva if none else has it), sell threads get bot and butterfly.

nice!

Finally! A sensible guide. Yes its old school. But with a few modifications you can still own with this strat.

Word of advise: Nortrom the Silencer's main strength is his intelligence which can best be translated into strength if his user/player is equally intelligent.
Think about it...

Kudos to hemlock. Great work.

Note to hemlock:

Pls be kind enough to take time to delete posted comments 118 & 119 from "brassman 13". His comments translate to "your mom's a bitch" in the tagalog vernacular.

It's really annoying. Thnx.

i actually rush for dagger of escape for nortrom but 6.50 dagger has become a trash . and i can't rush for lothar's since at the time I'd probably bought it somone's got a gem or wards to counter it. poor nortrom.

brassman13 banned for personal attacks on character.

you know, this strategy sucks! silencer would be a dumb hero if you will follow this strategy!

Regarding Curse of the Silent:

I know this has been stated already as a comment, but CotS is very useful and important SITUATIONALLY!!!! I can't stress that enough. One such situation, is if you are paired up against sven or (even better) SK!! no mana makes SK wary!

Also, CotS is useful for simply making an opponent use his/her mana up...waste a cast of sorts. Early game this can be very very effective. Use it early on though....mid game to late game it becomes less effective :)

Nice strates you've got there..It helps a lot!! No negative so I will mgive you 10 points...HEHE

Clearly, many of you have not seen LightOfHeavenfrom Russia in MYM Prime Nations.
www.mymym.com

nice guide after all
his 1st skill isn't totally useless, sometimes it can really make ur opp hesitate... 40hp/20mn per sec!

light of heaven is tpd right? havent checked for ages

why not AC?

why not AC?

Hello. First, I really want to say exellent job on the guide. Seriously, you proved to be knowledgable of his abilities. Saying that I would now like to put out some suggestions: (well its more of a request): I understand you made this guide last year but since there is 6.51 out there, would you consider other items other than guinsoo? And do you personally now use different methods or builds when using silencer? Your reply would be much appreciated.

curse is useless(but not always).
meka is not good for silencer cause he is a killing machine and not buffer or helper

first time i use silencer..
my god, i cannot believe i kill 2 people in 10 shots:D

i will try it

talo parin ako sino ba gawa nito

curse is good-again,it depeds who is your enemy
in early/mid game,i use it against sven/leoric or any other hero with low mana pool
cast it on sven,he will start losing mana,and you move away. he will probably throw a hammer on creep to stop losing mana,which is a waste.after 2,3 of this,he will be without mana :)

Nice

Nice!

i have some question is it possible for Eye of skadi to stack with it's Glaive of wisdom?

Great guide, 10/10, but I forgive my ignorance, what exactly is a "carry hero." I would think a hero who can "carry" his team, but what precisely does that mean? Do damage? Kill heros? Be the centrpeice of team battles? I see "this is my carry-hero build" fairly often, and never know what it means. You seem to have a good grasp of what it mean... help me out?

good guide man gz

Dagon 5 is a must for mana and great finishing spell... also for the intelligence it gives... i'll rate it 7/10... no hero killing section? and some pix? well it an okay guide. no offense

NICE BUILD VERY EFFECTIVE!!

10/10

but i think why no we play dagon and curse?
wisdom,dagon,curse,how bout that?he can easy to kill and farm...

Stats Over Skills with silencer...what? u would want 2 points to all stats over 1 point into last word to help vs everything that casts?...1 point into Curse to force casts is some how worse then 2 points into all stats ....I dont get some people

my build is a lil different. I am new to nortrom, but I like him.
BoT
shivas
Sheepers
Linkens
Orchid
6th situational, and highly unlikely you will get that far

awesome guide really great.curse isnt very usefull and sometimes harmful if you urge ur opponent to cast a spell however it will hurt pudge bas after he meat hooks once. 10/10