a not so silly bear

very nice guide, common but still it wasn't posted . Good job, I give a 8/10

thx men

I Really think you should make it more clear wich items belongs to the Spirit Bear and wich items that belongs to you, otherwise good... I'll try it sometime
7/10

Realy great guild.I giving about 9/10 or 10/10

Ring of reg is 375 gp, not 275 :o

its 275 gold
http://www.dotastrategy.com/item-79-RingofRegeneration.html

very nice!

only one thing: you said if your bear is hurt,send him to the fountain.that is OK,BUT,at the the half way,won't he AUTO RETURN(teleport)to you because you are too far from him?lets say,if you are at your tower lvl 1 and you send him back to base,how far can he go alone,before he autoteleport? OR it is only if he attack somebody? pls answer

@ #7

you can use it to scout the whole map as long as it doesn't attack. that's why some ppl (like me) try to rush radiance to the bear. so you can while say creeping neutrals, use the bear to go to a lane where there is an enemy hero and harass him with radiance (just stick close to him). you'll be killing his creeps and if he's a weak int/agi hero and it's still mid game, take some dmg. he'll defiently get pissed off.

@ AFC_Gunner

the bear can go as far as he wants. he just may not attack anybody or he will return to sylla

Ring of Regeneration is 375 gold!
Altough the forum says its not.

If u don't know how many gold it costs i think u didnt played much games, did you?

How do u manage to get Butterfly, Buriza, Basher, Cuirass, Vlads, PT, another hyperstone in a normal game where u are not fed? Where is the orb effect? U think u can even buy deso? Get S&Y for the bear and no one escapes u

Not really a good guide, neither screen shots, early mid late game items or pros and cons, and I prefer staying ranged so no one will take me down earlier 4/10

can u make screenshots?

hard to understand without
pics

Despite the negativity from the above comments, i thought this was a pretty good guide. I've seen ones that are a lot better but this one says all that is needed to be said. Good job! Make your strategy more lively though (as in put in some item icons when talking about later builds, put in screenies if possible, etc). Keep updating this guide and it should get better. Overall 8/10

Don`t you hate idiots who need screenshots for a guide? I mean, what do they need to "see"... A still picture of you, a few inches (or meters in-game) away from the enemy hero... then gold coming out?
There's nothing to be "shown" with sylla, no aiming skills, so WHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED SCREENSHOTS?

Aside from that, this was a good guide, I believe you overestimate your chances of taking the tower down early, but it can still be done... I like the items, it may be doable if you ever get to real late game, but only with Vlad's and (and I didn't see this in the guide, you may want to add it) Power Treads in the bear, (and maybe also the Hyperstone) you can own pretty damn well...
However, you say you stay melee all the time, well, if you're ever chasing someone along with your bear, then you're going to be pissed... The bear gets stuck on you, so you need to switch ranged for that occasion...
Overall, good guide, needs a few tweaks, it's got a 8/10 from my part..

I realy enjoyed your guide. I use about the same build but still learned alot thx.9/10
P.S. When u talk about switching your treads to agi from str u call it vlads. oops:)

Like the guide but you should make desolator on the hero and u will own.Plus u buy hyper on the bear so -11 armor isn't a joke.Peace

Where is radiance?????????????Hell no u cant be that stupid.RAdiance makes u killer without even fight.I farm in woods and send the bear in a fight.No one atack her cause she has high Hp plus they concetrate on the heroes.I just chase them with radiance to their fountain.Imba and if u get in trouble u can return it

Like the guide but you should make desolator on the hero and u will own.Plus u buy hyper on the bear so -11 armor isn't a joke.Peace

Hes right about the screen shots,
its not a hero that requires them,
Ring of Regen is 375 gold, tell me otherwise and i will tell you to play more games of dota, because ive been a member here longer than all of you.
:

Tbh i didnt really find it helpful,
Maybe reason on butterfly?
Id rather rush radiance on bear, and SnY on Sylla.


But thats jsut me, 5/10

Need more clarifications on the ultimate and the bear's special powers.

i liked it tho it really needed pics just for sum extra flash

YEHA

A pretty good Syllabear Strat. ..
I've never really liked Syllabear cause its soo hard for me to kill heros and so hard to farm all these items, but I'll give ur strat a guide

Also there is a typo in the Early Game section, About switching Vladmirs from Str to Agi, I think what you meant to say was Power Treads???

But in the end not a bad strat, I'll probably try it out.

Above post be banned or my name isn't Shimrra_3... and RoR is 375...

Now, I think its a good guide, and it doesn't need screenshots (as some have said already). I do think it needs a bit more of a distinct item build, and probably a dream build near the end. That is, two.

However, I agree that it needs some fixes before I can reliably rate this. 8/10 at present but I won't put that down yet.

Goddamn it, the one above the above. 24-25. Lousy timing... and this is not a double post (I AM EXEMPT :P)...

your reasonings for vladmir is unacceptable, sylla does not need the regen neither the life steal. he's better bulking hps and focusing too much on bear is a failure, since he benefits nothing from stats. bashers over treads completion for bear is stupid, since basher stacks diminishingly and treads improve far more although bear does not benefit from stats. treads for sylla is a waste, i rather use the money for treads for TP scrolls instead. this guide needs lots of rework from what i can see.

not that i cant micro, i dont use bear
sure its fat, but u take lots of damage when it dies and it has big cooldown, and its so fat it gets in ur way and shit
and also, bear has crap damage

Naisha's a female bear. And whaat... stay in bear form? are you sure?

I just noticed you have a vlad's in your build. That made your guide really lawl

Staying in melee form is a bad idea especially while chasing, sure melee form has it's bonuses but if you turn melee while chasing you and your bear will end up blocking each other thus allowing the enemy hero to escape. True form is a good skill but it's not recommended that you stay that way.

I just noticed you have a vlad's in your build. That made your guide really lawl

nice guide man keep on writing guides like this

Very nice guide.

Although I rarely play the bear, I know he is effective, and I know this build is very effective.

We diverge on two points:
1) Early game, I auto with Sylla, and micro with the bear. You're right, it results in the enemy becoming incapable of harassing you out of fear of the bear, even if there are two of them.

2) Basher for the bear. I think the basher should be for Sylla, if you get one at all. The bear already has entangle, so I don't see why it would need a basher as well.

Anyway, well done, makes a lot of sense, 9/10.

what a build.. tsk3

hmm.....nice man i like it (:

8/10

i don't recommend Vlad's and True Form mid game.

i only buy power treads and mass stout shields for my spirit Bear.

i recommend the ol' Skadi on Syllabear.
Remember that Syllabear is your HERO; not the spirit bear.

great strategy

i dont see why would you get a basher for the bear. considering sylla's attack speed is higher. and if you get it in melee form you keep the 15% chance when you turn ranged again. as it was pointed, it's not such a good idea to stay melee all the time, which brings the question of your lousy HP. that's why i get s'n'y on sylla (or skadi if i'm fed up).

I think you should utilize Sylla's melle ranged exploit more.

Like my dream build with syla is

-BoT
-Butter
-Basher (melee)
-Basher (melee)
-EoS (Pick it up when ranged, then go melee)
-S&Y

Bear
-PT
-Buriza
-Basher
-Basher
-AC
-Radiance

The game ususally ends after double basher on bear ans SY on Syla. But I take advantage of his range/melee transfer by stackig 4 items together, you should explain on that point aswell :D

i also dont agree with the basher on the bear... i prefer to get started with a EoS.. since heroes wont have a chance to run unless they have a escape mechanism... and also adds lotsa help to your stats...


and it really depends on the hero your laned in if its good to use the bear... since your gonna use your bear your gonna invest gold on the 2 of you... thus making you lack in items for yourself... nukers will most likely eat you out even if you have your bear..

so im gonna rate this....8/10... hope you furthermore improve this strat and make it 1 of the best..

i have always being a fan of the maelstrom rush for radiance on bear.

and never did like true form (with the exception of running away) while this works being in ranged form is alot better for chasing and true form is good for tanking.

give your bear a basher and you take a basher, then there is a 25% bash chance ^_^
well kinda, it isn't in diminishing returns.

vlads, while a good item, really isn't needed for your bear, i would suggest instead of bruiza going for a very sexy assault instead

overall good, i am just an old school sylla

lol, old school sylla rocks

add more

I really prefer Jungling Sylla.It may be easier to lvl up and get golds if you're lucky with the neutral camps.And I'd max out All the bear form,synergy and rabid before getting true form.Anyways good job,I'd give an 8!

Nice guide...... 8/10, a bit wordy though, but still a good job for your efforts.

This guide is... Umm... Pretty okay... 7/10 , But before any of you n00bs pick this hero... Lets assume that you have your keys binded to q,w,e,r like any decent dota player has... and now if you can assume the following commands in 3 seconds: 2,q,1,e, clickbear,r,2,Clickenemy,1,clickenemy ... Then you can pick this hero... If you cant.. then you dont have any micro " SuCKS T0 BE YOU ! "

Don't be so stupid as to waste your time spamming emoticons. You take minutes, even hours spamming those smileys, but i take at most 3 seconds to spam DELETE. Let's see who's faster?

is Syllabear considered a druid or a hunter because the first three abilities are hunter based while the ulti is druid based?

@caspian

True. True.

@strat
Not bad, though, I prefer staying in ranged mode and using only melee for escaping for that extra HP.
But your strat I believe is more of a tanking syllabear and less of a chasing one. But still a good killer.

vladmir,buriza and hyperstone is for me or for the bear ?

"you've earned it you sly devil, you."
rofl, pretty good guide. It lacks pictures but they arn't extremely necessary.
i like your build, i always see people playing sylla as ranged dps and he does work very well as a dps/helluva tank.

8/10

so is Syllabear considered a druid or a hunter cause i want my WOW character to be like him

i think hunter bcoz he dont have heal or something like the other druids have

@extacy: "If you are either gaining gold like a Rockefeller or your game has dragged on for ages, there are a few ways you can go with items past buriza:"

That should explain that.

@porn0_star: Yep, radiance on bear works very well, but it isn't my style.

@people wanting icons/pictures: Some have mentioned it, but I will repeat it anyways: sylla doesn't need pictures and do you really need to see an icon of vlads instead of just the word "vlad" to get what I'm saying?

@raxxar: I consistently take down a large number of towers, but it obviously depends on the quality of the other team (and to a lesser extent, your team as far as who gets the tower gold). As far as going melee or ranged for chasing, I've found that the time it takes to switch back to ranged negates any of the advantages.

@ganksta: I believe I made it quite clear why bfly works well with melee sylla. Same as above for radiance comment.

"vladmir,buriza and hyperstone is for me or for the bear ?"

vlads I admittedly didn't make clear. stick it on your bear while you're in ranged, then put it on you once you go to bear form. who to put the buriza and 2 hypers on is in there, but admittedly not in a clear enough way. buriz goes on you and the 2 hypers go on your bear.

@stoyo: I go back and fourth between basher on you (sylla) or the bear. Depends on the play style of the other team as well as your own team's stuns. Basher on bear is to increase chances of stunning a running hero, basher on you is much better against a hero that isn't running. As far as your HP, the combo of "One," 30% evasion and the little extra life (and armor) from vlads make you pretty hefty.

However, there's definitely some clarifying that needs to be done (and fix the vlads/ptreads typo).

P.S. if your first thought is,"lul, he doesn't use radiance/s&y, 4/10" stop, think, and realize there might just be other ways to play sylla.

OOps, forgot this in the last post

@itstoasted: Again, sylla doesn't need screens. early items are in there, so are late, but you did point out that mid game items didn't get fleshed out. I wrote it, but I must've accidentally deleted it. I will rectify this. As far as staying ranged into mid game. that's up to you, if you aren't as skilled, stay ranged. I highly prefer (and have found it to my advantage) to go bear form when I do.

@Counter_Force[X]: How is my reasoning for vlads unacceptable? It gets you AND your bear lifesteal and armor boost. It's worth it.

ptreads for sylla are far from a waste (in this setup). bonus HP early (from belt) and then +10 agi and 30% IAS later. How would tp scrolls be a better allocation of gold?

basher on bear: same response as in the above comment.

@ghost: I like vlads. I've found it to be great on sylla, but to each his/her own. AC instead of buriz is a good idea, I tried it a few times, I'll give it another look see.

then why is Syllabear called a druid??? Mag

@LSDelephant

Which is why I prefer to stay in ranged form, that way I'll be always ready to start chasing heroes. The best time to change into melee form is when your opponents start to focus fire on you.

this guide sux hard... u should skill bear at start... u should start skilling bear when u reach lvl.12


anyways u skill synergy + rabid til lvl.8 and then bonus till lvl.12


and those items sux hard ......midgame u should have 3 wraith bands and treads (agi) and maelstrom (maybe get Yasha).

btw .. his ulti sux dont ever skill it

Wow.. nice guide two thumbs up... but i'm a "BurizaLover" i use buriza for any agi type or even a str type.. i lyk crit so much...

This Sux don't get angry don't have any pix bad item build/liked your middle game strategy but at the end game sux
(ENTAGLE ROOTS HAS ORB EFFECT DUMBHEADED)

OVERALL : 5/10

I forgot to add you nid pix for the range how long the bear can attack if he is chasing somebody?
also adding other scenarios that could happen

@fwii #60,

Although I am by no means an expert on the bear, I'd say that he stays in melee form because the moment they focus on you, it's already too late to change to bear.

why not buy him a mj
buy bear 2 hyperstone and basher
let the bear stun/entangles enemy and use chain lighting to kill enemy...
sorry for bad english

Great guide 8.5/10

GJ this is a pretty good strat, barely any ppl like to use this hero!

i comend you on the funny name of this strategy.

i like it though i give it 7/10 cause i want a build that permamnently stops the enemies

thanks!now i know sylla.910

thanks!now i know sylla.910

@ thomiede: try not to double post next time

nice guide on sylla, but IMO the item build looks abit expensive

I dont know if it's a good idea to take down the tower as fast as possible. Most player wait a bit before taking down tower. Maybe you should just group you and your bear and just go for the last hit/deny.

2 boots?

No he doesn't mean 2 boots. He means first buy boots, then ringof basilius and then finish power treads with the boots u bought

first of all, the lifesteal is minimal and it sucks
second, you dont need the mana regen at all
3rd, focusing improving bear is pretty much useless later on, unless you totally screw gg the opponent

the bear does only return to sylla if he attacks someone. If he just walk he can go over the whole map :) great Guide!

Well, not really my favorite guide on here but its not horrible i can say it needs more work, screenshots just for the fun of it because they get your strat followers spirits up, and i think you should explain what items go to u and ur bear, and i prefer staying in ranged, but i can see where ur going with the 1000 extra life thing, id say its an okay guide, ill give it a 6.5/10

i think radi is the must have on the bear

this will be great.....

hmmm,thnxx

i dont know what to say... i never use sylla on melee... :0 but i think ima try this build... ill give u 7/10

erm...tis guide is good in discussing bout killing techniques and stuffs. I wont comment bout the items as its vry subjective. But u reli need 2 put down his weakness. Pro players will not disable your hero but will disable your bear and kill u. I tink as an experienced bear player, u shud knw tat ur bear gets disabled twice the duration of a disable on heroes. Eg, an eul flys your bear for 8 sec instead of 4 sec. But if sylla can farm, its np. Disagree bout sylla staying in melee form too.

sry double post....
myself, i oni stay in melee, wen farm neutral without bear, wen i'm being ganked and seriously needs hp(its ulti drastically increases hp), or wen i am tanking and rushing into a battle. Chasing??? Nah, i wud prefer ranged...its irritating 2 gt blocked by ur bear. But i also agree v nt getting vladmir. Overall 8/10 4 me nw bro....do sm fixing b4 i rate k

Nice guide

Okay build, but after reading the other syllabear guide and how it distinctly tells which items for the hero and which for the bear, this does not compare. 4/10

very nice

gud guide.... excellent!! COOL

hi :)

this is my comment:
PUT HYPERSTONEx2 ON BEAR
4 CRANIUM BASHERS ON BEAR
RADIANCE IF WANT (NOT MY OPTION)
THEN U HAVE A STUNNER BEAR OR MAYBE 1 HYPERSTONE AND A POWER TREADS :D

this is my comment for you
you start at most 4k gold

thnx guys,u giv me the style 4 sylla...

it says that the summon spirit bear can carry up items... would those items still be on that bear if it dies...?

yes

put radiance to your bear and treads and in case your opponent don't have eul's put most of your items to your bear because of entangle and higher hp than syla

wow this is one good strategy u have wrote here i give u a 8 out of 10 of ur strategy

great strategy, helped alot. thanks

800 hitpoints at lvl 2 huh

have u guys tried playing him without the bear? i went straight moj and butterfly and i was dps King!

waste a great potential and that works only in pubbies
hardly ever see a pro game with mmjolnir except for team verGe

Why not build mechanism, Its very useful especially for you and you bear
and isn't it very hard for syllabear to be melee, Syllabear is more powerful in ranged form and it also support s your bear!! but I like your build and strat but i would like to put vlad to my bear (just an opinion!!! )

GOOD WORK .
I agree with cyrixs08.
Mechanism helps a lot you and your bear.

wth is with people putting bashers on your bear, the bash will override his entagle which lasts longer and does more damage, rather get more attack speed and damage items for the bear. Me i only use melee form for exploiting bashers. Go melee get a basher and become ranged so the bash percentage is still the same. Basicallt get 1 or 2 bashers on sylla with MoM, and treads and get hyper stone treads, radiance etc on bear, you dont need ne thing else so buy your team something. nice guide though.

1 flaw the bear can only go so far away from the druid

Def one of my favourite heros. I build different items for the same hero every game I play. You have to play the situation/game as each one is dif. But interesting builds. I liked the idea of manta in one of the posts earlier.

if bear die...he lose the items he had?

LOL this is a very funny guide indeed!!! I couldn't stop laughin.

10/10

ahh.. how about MoM and pointbooster to the bear its cheap but you can farm easily,, hyper build is good, but its not that easy to farm if your enemy haraas you ,, coz the bear at first is weak